The creeping fascism of Donald Trump

Not a great example. It is generally recognized - in all western nations - that in times of Martial Law - which is essentially what this is - the power of the Federal Gov't is increased - beyond what is ordinarily allowed - should be allowed - however we want to term it.

So that don't make Bernie a Facist.

What is also true is that the OP claim is bunk - as the Dems have been by far the biggest violators of the rule of law and principles of Justice - and have engaged in bullying/witch-huntery - on steroids.

 

I've seen your version of "sensible gun control"
As there's no rational basis for it, there's sense to it - at all.

 

You'll have a hard time soundly demonstrating that more than three are true for Trump.

Note the word "demonstrate" - it means you don't get to use your opinions, suppositions, or fallacies.

 

Fascism is anti-democratic, and election rigging nullifies elections and the democratic process. The DP rigged its nomination process to eliminate Sanders - in your face fascism.

“Before I called Bernie Sanders, I lit a candle in my living room and put on some gospel music. I wanted to center myself for what I knew would be an emotional phone call.

I had promised Bernie when I took the helm of the Democratic National Committee after the convention that I would get to the bottom of whether Hillary Clinton’s team had ***rigged*** the nomination process, as a cache of emails stolen by Russian hackers and posted online had suggested. I’d had my suspicions…”
POLITICO, Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC, When I was asked to run the Democratic Party after the Russians hacked our emails, I stumbled onto a shocking truth about the Clinton campaign., By DONNA BRAZILE November 02, 2017. (*** mine)
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

 

The Left actually allied itself with Hitler and Nazi Germany to start WW II - yet another inconvenient truth.

 

Who knows

 

No I'm just explaining how people use the word fascism.

 

I think he honestly can't see the irony, or if he does, he'll never admit it.

 

This:

Does not equal this:

 

Yes usage dictates meaning.

 

The left has been fascist for 30+ years, beginning with its creation of political correctness and shutting down free speech. Their intolerance is a first for America.

Claiming Trump is a fascist is pure projection.

 

Arguing that something is 'self - refuting' isn't even logical. Even if someone says something that's untrue, it's not 'self-refuting', someone has to step in explain, demonstrate, prove, convince, etc., why it's incorrect. That "debate forum' is all about. You don't win an argument by saying, "it's an obvious lie'. That is not a competent refutation.

As far as parodies of the left, I find that rather amusing given that vast majority of political parodies are about the right.

 

You might want to give 'making sense' a try.

 

I honestly don't know which it is, and I don't think he's capable of elucidating the difference.

 

I gave a pretty good explanation in post #150, so if you are not understanding that, it's a fair bet you'll not understand it on post #300, or post #3000.

Err...it may not be known to you, but the fore mentioned Comedy Central Stephen Colbert Show was exactly that, a leftwing parody of the right, by giving the "right leaning" host ridiculous things to say, in this case, saying something that a few years ago would be considered ridiculous if he was saying it about the left.

Until you said it of course.

 

Sorry it makes perfect sense that usage dictates meaning that's how words like gay or cool mean different things based on when they were said.

 

Of the following, Trump has many of the salient items (highlighted in blue ) for what makes a fascist, "dems are projecting' my ass.

https://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html

Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .

Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.


As for elections, above:

Yes, nothing spells 'free speech' like the vast voter suppression methods of the right

1. Interstate Crosscheck (1.1 million names of blacks, Asians, and Hispanics, were purged by Kris Kobach's IC program who partnered with 29 red states in 2016)
hundreds of thousands were purged in Georgia during the last election, throwing the election to republicans who could not have won but for the purge.
2. Voter 'caging' (conditiioning remaining on registration rolls by mailing out post cards which designed to look like junk mail, if not returned, voter is purged )
3. limiting polls in poor neightborhoods where voters must stand in line for hours and in some place, moving the polls far away from the communities they are supposed to serve.
4. Insane degree of gerrymandering such that, in order for dems to beat repubs, they must turn out 10% more votes than a simple majority in order to win.

So don't lecture me on 'projecting'. Trump accuses the left of a many things for which he is guilty. He makes up ****, and lies incessantly. Today he was lying that Democrats are rigging the election. No, the truth is that Republicans are rigging the election.

 

The only part of #150 that pertains to my OP is this, by you:

What is also true is that the OP claim is bunk - as the Dems have been by far the biggest violators of the rule of law and principles of Justice - and have engaged in bullying/witch-huntery - on steroids.

All you've done is make a vacuous declaration, a repetition of a right wing narrative

You haven't done or said anything to back it up. There's nothing to 'understand' for the simple reason that I don't accept that premise.

Now wait just a minute, you just countered yourself

Well, you sound confused, and how all of that relates to 'de facto Americans' is rather bizarre, in any case.

 

Wow, I don't know where you got whatever is that you copied, but that was not my post #150. Here it is:

I'll be forewarned that you are liable to misquote.

 

Well, self refuting statements are illogical, but it's not illogical to call them what they are. Some examples:

If you can't save money, you need to spend more.

You're too dirty to take a bath.

There's no reason to go to school of you are already ignorant.

Trump is a fascist, so we need a strong president to override congress and do justice.

 

Looks like a very fair and balanced book.

 

Big government is evil. And the left is where we find the most support for big government.

 

Why do two different statements that mean different things need to be equal?

 

Well there's a lot of big government on the right as well. That being said the left seems to want the government to be more of a mommy than an adminstrative thing.

 

Maybe we should have a thread on what evil is, but I think it comes down to control of others. And that's essentially what government does... for our good, yes, with the majority's acquiescence, yes, but still....