The George Floyd Murder Protests: Lets be clear about what is really going on.

I'm glad you asked. One dead and many more attacked including to the point of hospitalisation:

"A federal law enforcement officer was also shot and killed Friday night by someone in a vehicle at the Ronald V. Dellums Federal Building, the FBI said. Dave Patrick Underwood, 53, was providing security at a U.S. courthouse." https://www.foxnews.com/us/police-u...aw-enforcement-in-wake-of-george-floyds-death

 

He had an O.D. level of Fetenal in his blood. Think it will be shown he refused to get into the police car.

 

You take a look at the Floyd officers and clearly there is a systemic problem in that police department. Terminating every one of them and replacing them with contracted Private Security may not be a bad idea.

It would sure as hell send a message to other city departments.

 

It looks like he did trip after the officers tried to push him out of their way, whereas a younger more agile person would likely have been able to remain standing and simply have gotten out of the way. We have no sound on the video to know what the older man was saying, or how many warnings the police gave him to mve. He was waving his cell phone close to one officer's gun holster right before they pushed him. Who does that? Defy orders to move, but also start waving their hands close to an officers' weapons?

Media is doing everything they can to create the narrative that "cops are bad" and that any citizens injured are "innocent victimized bystanders". This is a very dangerous, biased and emotional messaging by the media to influence the publics' thinking. Unfortunately, a large portion of society today is highly influenced by media soundbites. People who need an external source to tell them what to think are giving extreme power to a handful of media corporations who are more than happy to tell them what to think.

Part of the aftermath of that incident is that now 56 Buffalo Police Dept emergency responders have resigned from their jobs. Fewer police during a time of riots, looting and general unrest is the very last thing we need right now.

https://13wham.com/news/local/buffa...ergency-response-team-after-thursday-incident

 

Replacing public servants with private security employees would lead to even more inconsistent policies and procedures than having officers report to a police chief who is selected by the mayor and city council. The fish rots from the head. There would be too many heads if policing were privatized between competing companies with competing philosophies about use of force practices. No doubt some of those companies would train officers to be far more brutal to citizens than the one-off rare incidence which we see today.

You might consider that a nightclub owner hired private security: George Floyd as and indoor security person and Derek Chauvin for outdoor security.

 

The cops that killed Floyd are NOT public servants, they are felons in OUR uniform, wearing OUR badges. This department has a systemic problem from Recruiting, to Training to Supervision. It may be that its beyond salvage.

The City Council would supervise the contract of the properly certified and insured Private Policing firm.

Since you have "no doubt", undoubtedly you can quickly cite several examples of Private Armed Security murdering folks on our public streets.

That's not Armed Security, you are comparing PeeWee Football to the NFL.

 

I don't believe that you even believe the false claims in your opening post:

 

Yeah, your claims in your opening post are bald-faced disinformation. You know, We Know it, The American People Know it.

 

The Black Panthers and the Weatherman underground advocated the Police force be dissolved back in the sixties. They would replace them with a "neighborhood militia". In the recent situation, that militia is already in place and ready to go. The Cartels and Antifa will get the job. I am for letting the Blue States have their way. When and if they want to come back into the fold it will be a quick "Operation Shock and Awe". Then their cities can be rebuilt the right way. Better here on our Continent than in Asia minor.

 

If City Council can't supervise the contract with their own police force which they directly hire through the police chief, why would they be able to better manage a contract with a privately-owned security company? Right now, they have direct control and responsibility for police training and outcomes.

Undoubtedly, Minneapolis needs to review and reform their policies and procedures. Having Chauvin, out of 600+ Minneapolis police officers, commit an egregious murder by negligence does not necessarily mean that there is a widespread systemic problem.

Minneapolis has had a major problem with migrant Somalian gang member attacks against citizens, which led to the police chief saying that they need 4000 officers over the next few years, well above current staffing levels. If there were a broad systemic problem, which is in part or in whole from "racist" cops, then a lot of young black men in that city would be dead-by-cop. In fact, leave race out of it and just look at police brutality. There doesn't appear to be any systemic issue of death-by-cop in Minneapolis any more or less than any other large urban city.

Regardless of public police or private security sourcing, there is always going to be that one-off employee who either flips out one day and unjustly kills someone, or one who has a history of questionable behavior who should have been fired well before a wrongful fatal incident occurs. Factors like short-staffing may keep some questionable employees because they simply need more employees and a "warm body" on the job who has some complaints filed against them is better than "no" body filling a needed position.

 

....because getting rid of a civil police force and replacing them with a militia which will burn down your house if you dissent and kill you if you keep resisting the mob is a much, much better solution for society.

 

It is impossible for other races to understand the "black experience". I've been rather interested in what black voices have to say in the last week, since to a large extent, the black community will have to be responsible for which direction they want their communities to go.

In addition to the political panderers and messengers of continued hatred, division and fear, there is a lot of reasoned and rational intellectual discussion happening right now within your community.

 

Which they obviously can't handle. Using qualified Independent Contractors would shift quality control to the certifying and credentialling agencies and the insurers that agree to financially cover ALL their losses. One reason that Public Police act like the law doesn't apply to them, is because of the Court Doctrine of Qualified Immunity, it often doesn't. There is no such legal deference to private police.

That two independent cars arrived and teamed up to murder him does. Chauvin's history of problems does. He looks dumb to me. A sub part IQ would not surprise me. I don't know that he is so much a racist as just too stupid for the job, and with 3 other officers, no one drug him off and arrested him, instead, they held the crowd back while he committed a felony, on film, in uniform.
Yes, they have a systemic problem. They never should have recruited these guys. Their trainers should have made sure they never successfully completed training if they couldn't develop the necessary skills and integrity, and their supervisors should have recognised their problems and stripped them of their guns and badges.

That has nothing to do with this event.

This was a four out of four off. If there are officers worth saving, then they can certify and be rehired as private police officers by the contracting firm.

You're making my point.

Police department budgets have been slashed, eliminating services. In contrast to the slowed growth rate of law enforcement employment, by 2022, the security industry is poised to grow by 130,200 jobs (12 percent). The circumstances are ripe for private security providers to be considered a more effective and affordable public safety solution.

Many communities have already begun to contract with private security to supplement local law enforcement. Private sector companies are cheaper and focused more on customer service. In Oakland, California, several neighborhoods have hired private security to patrol their neighborhoods in response to rising crime rates and reductions in police staffing. In Beverly Hills, California, Evidence Based Inc., a private security firm, was approved to provide armed safety personnel to protect Beverly Hills Public Schools in January 2014 at a cost of $1.4 million for 18 months of service. The Beverly Hills Police Department had provided School Resource Officers to the city’s schools in the past, but the department had ended the program a few years prior due to staffing shortages that necessitated the reassignment of the school officers to patrol beats.

Another example of private security fulfilling core functions of law enforcement is the development of Business Improvement Districts (BIDs). A BID is a defined area in which businesses pay an additional “tax” to pay for projects within the district’s boundary. In many urban BIDs, one of the priorities funded by the fees is additional security services. BIDs have existed since the early 1980s, although they went relatively unnoticed until recently. Now, there are more than 1,000 in the United States A 2009 RAND Corporation study of BIDs in Los Angeles, California, found that neighborhoods whose BIDs contracted for added security had significantly less crime than those without the added security. According to the lead researcher, “These districts make a place, not such an attractive place for crimes of opportunities, such as robbery.”

Much like BIDs, private security guards are not a new concept—they have spent decades serving as the eyes and ears of private property owners. Over time, these companies have become more professional and diverse in the services that they provide, and this evolution has caught many police organizations off guard. In an era where public policing does not have the funding necessary to provide meaningful security and private security organizations are willing to provide services for less, what does that mean for law enforcement?

https://www.policechiefmagazine.org/private-police-coming-to-a-neighborhood/

It means shape up, or get replaced.

 

What claims? That the Boogaloo Bois are the agitators??

 

These riots, looting and mayhem is a left-wing operation. You fool no one.

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There was a very good article in RedState.com, as concerning the murder of George Floyd:

On May 25, 2020, a citizen of these United States by the name of George Floyd, died while in police custody, even though he was apparently not resisting the officers responsible for his well being while in custody. This tragic event was captured on the cellphone cameras of bystanders and immediately went viral. Unless a true sociopath, no human being could watch that video and fail to be absolutely horrified by the apparent disregard displayed by the officers present at the scene, as Floyd’s life ebbed away right in front of them and without their intervention.

For the first time in a very long time, all points on the political spectrum were united in outrage about the same thing and for the same reason. We were and remain outraged at such a blatant and callous disregard for human life. The day after the incident, citizens demonstrated that outrage by taking to the streets in protest and to "petition the government for the redress of grievances." This, a classic case of why the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution exists at all.

Then something changed. The demonstrations became about a lie. The demonstrations became a protest about Systemic Police Brutality based on racism. It became about police far and wide, "deliberately hunting down and killing" Black men. Groups intent on the destruction of America, or with other nefarious political purposes, began to take advantage of this misplaced outrage and began to foment full-blown riots. Out of control crowds began destroying property, maiming and killing people, looting and burning to the ground the businesses of the very people they purported to be outraged on behalf of. In some locales, police were told to stand idly by while this happened, shades of "allowing them space to destroy."

It’s still going on, despite all of the officers being charged, one with 2nd Degree Murder and the others involved, for Aiding and Abetting. And it’s all based on a lie. Almost no one has had the courage and fortitude to publicly admit this. For, to do so, would invite accusations of racism or being indifferent to the suffering of minorities. However, noted columnist and author, Heather McDonald, is a standout exception.

In her recent Wall Street Journal article The Myth of Systemic Police Racism, Ms. McDonald tears apart the lie, piece by piece. She writes:

"This charge of systemic police bias was wrong during the Obama years and remains so today. However sickening the video of Floyd’s arrest, it isn’t representative of the 375 million annual contacts that police officers have with civilians. A solid body of evidence finds no structural bias in the criminal-justice system with regard to arrests, prosecution or sentencing. Crime and suspect behavior, not race, determine most police actions."

When apologists for criminal behavior claim that Blacks are killed at a higher rate by police than Whites, that is just not true. McDonald, citing a study by the National Academy of Sciences, claims with proper justification and analysis, that based on the ratio of fatal police shootings to total police encounters, the types of crimes by race and the racial composition of the police force itself, Blacks are not being shot by police in greater numbers than any other race. It’s just not happening. Here are the findings from that report (format changes from the original are mine to help readability.

We report three main findings:

1) As the proportion of Black or Hispanic officers in a FOIS increases, a person shot is more likely to be Black or Hispanic than White, a disparity explained by county demographics;

2) race-specific county-level violent crime strongly predicts the race of the civilian shot; and

3) although we find no overall evidence of anti-Black or anti-Hispanic disparities in fatal shootings, when focusing on different subtypes of shootings (e.g., unarmed shootings or “suicide by cop”), data are too uncertain to draw firm conclusions. We highlight the need to enforce federal policies that record both officer and civilian information in FOIS.

Put another way by McDonald:

The researchers found that the more frequently officers encounter violent suspects from any given racial group, the greater the chance that a member of that group will be fatally shot by a police officer. There is “no significant evidence of antiblack disparity in the likelihood of being fatally shot by police,” they concluded.

As a cross-checked, I looked at some other sources. On Statista, I found some interesting numbers. It turns out that, as of March 30, for 2020, the numbers show that Blacks are 13.6 percent of police shootings and 14 percent of the US population — 86.5% of the shooting victims are not black.

Of course, this puts paid to any justification, no matter how slim, that the anger of the rioters and looters is somehow understandable. What it actually reflects, is that people are using a preventable tragedy to stoke the fires of racial animus. This race-baiting is not helping advance any legitimate cause, rather it is bringing real and measurable harm to innocent people.

Worst of all, it is shifting focus away from the real problem, which I believe, is inept and/or corrupt Democrat governance at the city and state levels. As I indicated previously, the death of George Floyd was a perfect storm, whereby a city governed by Democrats for over 40 years, recruited, trained, and employed, but failed to properly supervise (likely due to police union influence) an officer. That same city sanctioned and trained its officers on the use of an inherently dangerous restraint technique, a technique long abandoned by the vast majority of police agencies in these United States.

Having frank, open, and honest discussions about race seems to be very difficult for many Americans. We make it even more difficult when we are unwilling to face uncomfortable facts. The very first step in the problem-solving process is to properly identify the problem. Given provable and proven data showing equal rates of police-involved shooting of Blacks and Whites and that minority police officers shoot minorities at the same or higher rate as do their White colleagues, it would seem that these continued protests and the accompanying violence, are based on a lie. It’s time we refocus on the real problem — the problem of long time Democrat governance in the cities.

Mike Ford, a retired Infantry Officer, writes on Military, Foreign Affairs and occasionally dabbles in Political and Economic matters.

 

Sure. If a single poster has been fooled by you, they can stand up and so state. But, you fooled no one, so there will be no takers!

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From your own post:

 

The Boogaloo Bois are not known to be white supremacists or racists. They are an anti-police militia and anti-establishment type of group.

 

That's the mass genocide? That's the everyday unarmed black men are killed by police officers? That's the war of black men? And those aren't all unlawful shootings. I believe only 2 were unlawful. Out of how many millions of police encounters every year? And they're burning down their cities, destroying their jobs engaging in rampant crime and anarchy?

i already posted the SEVERAL recent studies that prove there is no systemic racism in law enforce of the law. National Academy of the Sciences, Harvard, Justice Department, WAshington Post.

So what are they protesting and burning down their cities for?

 

I think they had been through that already. As I said if you insist on messing with a police officer trying to carry out his lawful duties at least don't do it drunk and in stelettos and a mini-skirt.

 

Actually, there is.

The Washington Post summary of videos which are available indicate that Floyd resisted arrest when getting him out of his car. After being handcuffed and sat down by the wall, you can see he is talking, talking, talking (especially if you change the settings to slow-motion at .25 speed)....but we don't have audio. Later, he more actively resisted when they were trying unsuccessfully to get him into the squad car. You can see in the clip that when they had moved him from the driver's side to passenger side of the car, his legs are out of the car, kicking to try to resist being put in the car.

Also, note that the police report was that 2 men, including Floyd, had passed a counterfeit bill. Floyd's buddy, who was in the passenger seat, did not resist getting out of the car. If he had resisted, he likely would have had a much worse day personally (in addition to witnessing the death of his friend). Instead, he was walking around uncuffed throughout the situation.

 

You can't make this ***t up: anti-police demonstrators call cops on man threatening them with chainsaw and have him arrested.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...i-police-protesters-call-cops-arrested-video/

These are the same geniuses who want to defund the police and do away with them all together.

 

Some are white supremacists and not all are anti police. They represent a complicated array of ideologies . The only thing that they all have in common is a love of weapons and the desire to start a civil war. You should do some research before posting and provide documentation to support your claims