The Gov won't save our nation? The Gov is going to bail out FLorida

just told you, we can easily punish the greedy corps that want to use foreign outsourcing vs the American worker

 

The postal service takes zero federal dollars, every roadway and every mile of curb in this country was built by the private sector, and every teacher and every judge's salary is funded by private enterprise.

Prove me wrong

 

Yes, at an astronomical loss.

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Whoever funds dictates terms, and so subcontractors are just agents for the government. [/quote]

Still can't see the inefficiency, because it's staring you right in the face.

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Hell, my health care is a Private HMO, primary care is a private clinic, all funded by Medicare, but republicans call it socialism anyway. [/quote]

Ah, I see the issue now. You're dependant on government to provide for you. Don't worry, most progressive liberals are the same.

It is socialism. How much did you pay in to medicare and how much has it paid out?

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So, no, I'm filing your argument ins the 'distinction without an actual difference' file..

either that, your y'all get together figure out what the hell you think socialism is, and isn't, and ALL OF YOU agree on it, and then.........

Quit calling liberals and democrats socialist.

Deal?

I didnt think so.


Specious argument, see above.[/QUOTE]

Blah blah blah.

Your self admitted reliant on everybody else. That makes your advocacy for perpetuation of the system biased.

 

You’re answering a what question (which I didn’t ask) instead of a who question (which I did ask).

 

It doesn't "equate". It IS socialism. Which doesn't mean that we are a socialist nation. We are, of course, a Capitalist nation. But THOSE are socialist policies. If you are anti-socialist, it means you oppose those policies.

 

Ya so?

 

By purposefully blurring the lines you and the Bernie segment of the left are trying to pretend like his "Democratic Socialism" is somehow mainstream. It is not. While Democratic Socialism is NOT a technical definition of Socialism where the government owns the means of production, it is by degree still much further left than is the mainstream of the American electorate. You may or may not know that you are making the Bernie Sanders argument, but make no bones about it, you did not introduce this argument into the American lexicon in recent years, the Democratic Socialism movement has and you are simply parroting it. Nobody every made this argument even 10 or 15 years ago.

All government provides some level of collectivism such as roads, military, policing etc. You can loosely call those socialistic policies, but that does NOT mean that therefore Bernie Sanders and Democratic Socialism is magically mainstream. All of this is about degrees. Having roads may loosely be titled a socialistic solution, but that does not equate to a socialist government. Very few people would oppose having roads built and maintained by the government, but plenty of people would have a problem with socialized medicine that has the government taking control of 20% of our entire economy.

What we are talking about is degrees of socialism. Just because literally every government provides some level of collectivism, does not somehow transform every government into being Socialist. You are parroting an argument that is purposefully designed to blur these lines.

 

Okay, so send back all the federal taxes paid by Floridians.

 

So, there you have it folks. Big Bad Government is incapable of building highways, taking letters from point A to point B, putting a man on the Moon, defend the country, help the elderly with their healthcare costs, ... or any of the other things the Big Ugly mainstream media says they do. How does the poster know this? Well.... because right-wing dogma told him/her so. And, as we should all know, right-wing dogma trumps reality.

 

I know that 615K is only a drop in the bucket, but if I were a Fort Myers resident, I'd be pretty pissed about it being spent by DeSantis to fly migrants from Texas to Martha's Vineyard right now...

 

Big government is pretty good at starting wars based on lies and killing millions of innocent civilians in the process, though.

 

So, you've done no math on what it would cost to let them run free ANYWHERE within the United States?

Illegal Immigration Costs U.S. Taxpayers a Stunning $134.9 Billion a Year

But you're right 615K is chump change

 

Good for you, but I'm not. I'm talking about the U.S. And I listed a few of the SOCIALIST policies that OUR government has in place. If you support any of them, then you are supporting socialism.

 

Spot on! The U.S. Government does NOTHING but collect tax and pay useful people to build highways, and smart people to design spacecraft. As far as the letters go, the USPS is not affiliated with the U.S. Government..

So know/yes the Government is incapable of doing anything other than collect money and take bids

 

Yeah. That's what I meant.

I think there are great -ism words. They tell us about things we should pursue like civism, humanism, exceptionalism, ... And those we should avoid like hyperpartisanim, totalitarianism, isolationism, .... and many others that could be referenced at once by the term "trumpism".

 

That's where we are today, people actually think the Government is productive and capable of anything other than collecting/stealing money from useful wage-earning Americans

 

That's right! It GIVES federal government. A great Big Bad Government success story that has been gutted by Republicans. Just like they want to do with other success stories like the armed forces, Medicare, Social Security, ....

No! It was built by underpaid construction workers who Republicans would love to take social benefits away from.

What you say is nonsense! It doesn't matter WHO builds them. The notion of socialism is that we pay money so the government obtains (in whatever way is most efficient) things that benefit ALL of society.

You're not. Socialism means private enterprise AND citizens (funny how you omit that part) pay taxes that are used to benefit ALL of society. (thereby the term socialism) Not just an elite or a President who uses their power for personal profit, like the previous one did.

Thus, benefiting seniors (medicare - Social Security), children (medicaid), the needy (safety net), ... IS socialism. Sending your VP to a hotel 180 miles away from where they have a meeting because the hotel is owned by the President (just ONE example) is NOT.

 

I'm not sure that Fort Myers residents are doing the math either. The fact that money was spent removing people from Texas instead of putting the unspent covid $$ into a hurricane fund would severely piss me off right now.

 

I was asking you But it seems you focus more on this then that Selective outrage is a DNC taught characteristic

 

It's quite mainstream in the world. But I'm not talking about Democratic Socialism. That's a political form of government and not the topic of this thread (which I already pointed out in the post you quoted)

The thread is about socialist policies. And I just listed some of them. THOSE policies are what socialism, in this country, mean.

If you don't have anything to comment about those and instead want to discuss forms of government in other parts of the world, open a thread.

 

So in turn, socialist support capitalism, well when applying your skewed logic

 

I'm sharing how I feel (or would feel). If you see that as selective outrage, have at it.

 

No outrage? How you came to that is mental gymnastics! I'm merely thinking of other factors you chose not to.

 

That's right. Just like private businesses do "NOTHING" but collect profits and pay useful people to build cars, TV sets, watches and computers....

Oh Dear God! Another "take your government hands off my Medicare" post. Except much MUCH worse!

Priceless!

 

personally, and I KNOW WE CAN'T as a nation all do it!!!! But I'd have DONE better with all the tax money our government levied from me over all these years.. MUCH BETTER!

Again, I know it has to be this way, but Government is a very inefficient handler of money!!