The Gov won't save our nation? The Gov is going to bail out FLorida

What nonsense! For ALL intents and purposes, USPS is a government agency. They are as much "privately funded" as Medicare and Social Security are.

 

You can always tell when somebody doesn't know what they're talking about when they change the subject. The conversation you jumped into was about where the funding comes from.

 

I haven't mentioned the federal income tax.

Again: you can ALWAYS tell when somebody doesn't know what they're talking about when they try to change the subject.

 

What the hell does that have to do with what I wrote? Again, changing the subject is sure sign that the person doesn't have an argument.

 

Easy to remedy. Just read it again and respond accordingly. If you have something to comment. If you don't, then we ARE done here. And there isn't even a need to state that we're done here.

 

If all those are available right now under the current Capitalist society, then wouldn't we already be Socialist?

 

No. We're simply a Capitalist society with many socialist policies in place. Which demonstrates that capitalism and socialism are not incompatible.

It does disagree with the mindset of those who tend to think binarily.

 

I have more than adequately made my point. I see no reason to keep this going.

 

If Biden can spend an extra $20 Billion on illegal immigrants to support, then I reckon he can afford to help his own natural citizens rebuild their lives.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...ditional-20-4-billion-annually-301623340.html

 

You forgot the "At the additional expense of the Taxpayers." What it boils down to is paying double or more of the taxes you pay now so that the Government can manage your money and control what they think is good and bad for you. What it comes down to at that point is, do you trust the government to give you better care with more money and be more responsible in their affairs including internationally? I don't.

 

I re-read it and I totally took it out of context. I apologize for that.
So, here's my take.
I agree with you that voting 3rd party will help elect the person you don't want to win.
I also agree that never voting 3rd party will mean the above will NEVER change.
I take the wussy way out and usually use the mindset of the 1st option, but that just makes me part of the problem of 3rd parties never succeeding.

 

Hopefully, on the same token, DeSantis can afford to help hurricane victims after he spent $12 million of FLORIDA taxpayer money to fool illegal immigrants in Texas and fly them to Martha's Vineyard.

 

Since CA is already gift wrapped for Democrats, my 3rd party vote doesn't help elect the person I don't want. The way I read it is that he believes I should vote the way a random guy on the internet wants me to.

 

Why would you think I forget that? It's as obvious as saying that McDonald's buys its beef at the expense of their customers.

You control what is good or bad for you with your vote. That's how democracy works. Are you saying you don't like democracy?

Of course not! Especially not after Trump squandered billions in nonsense like an idiotic wall. Or after he almost broke NATO and got us quarreling with our closest allies. Or after he used the position for personal profit and to attempt to perpetuate himself in power. He made it clear that you can't "trust" just any government. We need to be vigilant that the people in the government who do things like this are held accountable before the law. If he gets away with it, Biden and ALL future Presidents will know that they have unlimited power to do whatever the hell they want to benefit themselves. So the best you can do is use your vote to keep this from happening again. As well as your voice to demand that those who did it face justice. There are people who didn't learn their lesson, and that's a real danger.

 

I think the above CAN change. But not by voting third party. That's never going to work. I think that should be clear after Ross Perot. The only way in which a third party could become viable is if it started by running in local elections, and enlisting people already elected who are disgusted by their own party. It's difficult, but doable. We just need to start talking about it until people with real power get the ball rolling. This is how third parties are born in other nations. Not from the top down, but from the bottom up. And not based on an ideology, but on the actual INTENTION of doing the right things.

But, until this happens, we need to be aware that we are not voting for our ideology. We're voting for a President. So we just need to listen to each candidate and figure out which one of the candidates with REAL opportunities to be elected proposes to do things we could agree with. Not the prettiest of commitments, because they might not do the things they promise. But it's the best thing we can do.

 

Don't worry, DeSantis got this easy. Best Governor in the nation in my book and I live here so I know.

 

I think we can do much better than a fascist like DeSantis. But, historically and all over the world, fascism has always been very popular when people see it for the first time. It's only when they start living in a fascist regime that they start not liking it. So we can only hope it doesn't "stick" with the rest of the country.

 

The Wall was a great idea being Biden has spent double the wall cost on illegal migration alone. There should be no way in hell that any criminal, terrorist, rapist or drug mule should be able to walk to do more crime to a free society. Biden stopping the wall was the most idiotic thing I have ever seen and now we are paying for the consequences. If you want more migration, EXPAND LEGAL MIGRATION by a million people per year. NEVER just allow anyone to walk in. That is assinine and most idiotic thing ever!

And, as far as justice, Biden sure got away with all the crap he and Hunter pulled which fortunately for him, he has executive privaledge. That won't last long once he is out of office though. Trump and Biden are the bane of our nation these past 8 years, I agree with that. They are both the two worst people imaginable that could be elected to presidency period. I put Biden a step below Trump because Trump at least had better policies but was an ass on the mic. Biden pretty much went full on extremist left socialist to whatever puppet is pulling his strings..

 

I think you are a little loose with that word. What ISN'T fascist? You sort of just seem to shove it into everything.

 

Social SERVICES do not equate nor create ECONOMIC socialism.

 

Govt.

 

which is funded by the people of america

 

Once upon a time Ron was a no on storm aid unless there were offsets in the budget to pay for the aid.

"I sympathize with the victims of Hurricane Sandy and believe that those who purchased flood insurance should have their claims paid. At the same time, allowing the program to increase its debt by another $9.7 billion with no plan to offset the spending with cuts elsewhere is not fiscally responsible," DeSantis said in a statement.
https://www.tampabay.com/content/ne...oho-vote-against-hurricane-sandy-aid/2104196/

IOW, like many Repubs who pretend to be fiscally responsible when it comes to spending money to help other people, Ron is quick to hypocritically stick his hand out when it's his constituents who need help.

 

Because of WHAT? Do you understand what goes on in the southern border? Obviously not!

Of course, a wall would never have been POSSIBLE anyway. Nor would it have solved anything if it were. So it would take too much effort to bring you up to date. There are many threads you should read to learn a bit about that.

This thread is not about immigration, so...

 

I don't think that was the point of the post you responded to. The point was that the programs listed are examples of socialist practices in that money paid in to the government by the public in the way of taxes goes for the public good.