The Great Christian Civil War and Donald Trump.

Same is true of all fundamentalist Christian leaders.

 

Aside from the fact that almost all Fundamentalist Christian leaders are frauds and/or con artists, these groups have no clue what the main message of Jesus was.

How then are they to be able to distinguish between an ideology inspired by "God" or one inspired by "Satan".

I mean really now - do these folks think Satan is going to show up with horns and a red cape ?

All of these so called "Holy Spirit Led Christians" are following Satan. Any real follower of Jesus should be able to recognize this.

 

I was going to post that I thought OP must be very bored with reality and needs this spiritual drama for entertainment.

 

Proof?

 

How about we start with the fundamentalist admonition of alcohol. When you ask "What about when Jesus turned water into wine at the wedding" they respond - That was grape juice.

The fundamentalists make things up as they go.. "Speaking in Tongues" for example is heresy according to the rest of Christianity ... Montanism. The idea that God is speaking through some human is preposterous. Con JOB x 10

The list goes on and on from their stance on abortion (wanting to make law = forcing their beliefs on others) to the whole rapture mantra and cherry picking levitical law (think gays).

This is against the most basic teachings of Jesus.

Clowns and con artists are the fundamentalist leaders and their followers are like brainwashed sheep being led to the slaughter.

 

I am off from work for several weeks.....
and I am guilty of looking for something interesting to be involved in......

but I honestly do feel that a massive positive shift is taking place in all major religions.....

and yes.... I believe that the sincerity and conviction of near death experiencers is playing a big role in this shift.....

Mellen Benedict was an Atheist before his NDE... which made it possible for him to be shown a crucial truth that
would have too offended so many who are overly religious............. and too convinced of their own good understanding of
what is happening and why.

http://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/experiences/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a09

 

The OPEN HATRED OF CHRISTIANS by most Democrats is unlimited. No sane Christian would ever vote for a Democrat.

 

Most D's don't condemn people for who they are, like Jesus did. Jesus was tolerant and forgiving.
So you really should say, no christian can vote R. They don't like anyone different from them and are not tolerant of anything they don't like.

 

Number one, you don't know "all fundamentalist Christian leaders", anymore than I know "all atheists".

Number two, I know enough about fundamentalist beliefs to know that they are generally not Pentecostal, and finally, nobody is more brainwashed than so-called "liberals".

 

The gist of the visionary dream given to Pastor Rick Joyner though
was that when the Bride of Messiah rose up....... out of greed and
pride....... and really caught fire with love and truth.......

genuine revival would break out in America but......

judgment had to begin in the Temple of Messiah / The Church.... first!

1Peter 4:17
"For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?"

 

What a nonsensical dodge. I did not say all fundamentalists are "Pentecostal". They are one group of nut jobs among many.

The vast majority of fundamentalist leaders are anti abortion, anti gay marriage and religiously condemn drinking.

You asked for proof and I gave you proof. Your response was to run and hide and avoid addressing the proof given.

 

Christians will show their true colors this election by voting for Trump, the least christian candidate we've ever had.

 

Channeling is not Christian Doctrine ... which is why Pentecostals and any other group professing to speak in tongues are heretics.

Test the spirits ! .. now this is humor. Did you think Sataniel (the greatest deceiver in history) is going to show up in a red cape and horns ?

Jesus is "fully God" ? Another laughable claim. The disciples did not believe Jesus was God (the Father), early Church fathers did not believe Jesus was God, and Jesus himself did not believe he was God.

The "Holy Trinity" is a construct that was not established doctrine 300 years after the death of Christ because Emperor Constantine wanted to quell divisions (which were still raging) in the Church over this exact question (the nature of Christs divinity).

The Church found this doctrine convenient and so they kept it. What is laughable is that the people closest to, and closest to the time of Jesus did not believe that Jesus was "God - The Father" ... yet you have somehow know for sure.

Truly laughable arrogance.

 

You don't know what you're talking about. One would think that if someone was going to come here and comment on Christianity they would at least learn something about it.

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What you gave me was a half assed opinion, and a bigoted one at that.

 

Right - you stand on a soapbox and cry "you do not know what you are talking about" but, can not manage to say one thing that I have gotten incorrect.

That Fundamentalists leaders are by en large anti abortion and anti gay marriage is a statement of fact.

Denial and name-calling does not change that fact.

 

You've gotten all of it wrong and I am sick of having to explain it to people who wouldn't know the difference anyway. For your information, Catholics are anti-abortion and gay marriage, too. It's part and parcel of the Christian thing. Basically, you are (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing about Christians being Christian.

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You've gotten all of it wrong and I am sick of having to explain it to people who wouldn't know the difference anyway. For your information, Catholics are anti-abortion and gay marriage, too. It's part and parcel of the Christian thing. Basically, you are (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing about Christians being Christian.

 

What I get wrong ? If you are going to make accusations then back them up. Standing on a box crying "wrong wrong wrong" is not an argument for anything.

Not all Catholics are against Gay Marriage and not all Catholics are against abortion. Catholic leaders who preach this stuff are con artists right along with the fundies. What is important however, is not so much what one believe's but, what one tries to force on others.

There is a difference between 1) having a belief and 2) forcing that belief on others.

It is the fundamentalists that are most likely to try and force their beliefs on others. This is what is against the most basic teachings of Jesus.

These are not Christians ... these are frauds.

 

On that note......
the being of light who taught the following ideas to near death experiencer Christian Andreason.....

do you suspect that the being of light who teaches such things.... is Messiah Yeshua - Jesus in H-s
glorified form...... or do you think that this is a powerful fallen angel...... appearing as an angel of light?



http://www.politicalforum.com/gay-l...rs-understand-nde-comments-gay-community.html

Sincere apologies for taking 5 years to understand NDE comments on Gay Community!
I personally am ashamed of myself for being a Christian who could not understand this message for about five years!!!!!

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/christian-andreason.html#a11

9. What about sexually diverse people?

 

Really? What "teachings of Jesus" are you referring to, the ones you made up? Oh, I get it, if atheists don't like it then it's "against the teachings of Jesus".

 

Its bad form to cherry pick posts. It is even worse when the answer to your question was given in the parts of the post you left out.

You flat out say "your wrong" but, refuse to say what it is that I got wrong.

It is surprising that you do not know not the teachings of Jesus that admonish forcing one's beliefs on others. Hard to believe really given your claim to be a member of the clergy.

Either 1) you are not what you say you are or 2) feigning disingenuous ignorance. (there is a third option which I will leave up to you figure out, something you are likely unable to do if you are the third option)

So far you have dodged any discussion of the subject matter (other than to attack what other people say, without giving any back-up for your claims, and name call)

Did you want to discuss the teachings of Jesus or not ? If not this is fine. No need to keep wasting each others time.

 

I don't know them because they don't exist. If you didn't make it up, then post the chapter and verse and make a liar out of me.

Here we go again...

Just about everybody who has ever said that about me or anybody else is a liar who has been caught and is trying to make the "discussion" about us and not the topic at hand. It's called "ad hominem" and it's a way of changing the subject so you don't have to make good on your claims. People who do this are also known for demanding that I prove them wrong instead of them proving they are right.

So put up or shut up - where are these "teachings of Jesus" that "admonish forcing one's beliefs on others"?

 

Actually........ I believe that you are correct and.... Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus DOES NOT
teach H-s followers to force our beliefs on others.......

I believe that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus in H-s glorified and immortal form.....
that he had at least since the time of H-s ascension to meet with the Ancient of
Days the Father.........

that form that could go through walls... and yet eat fish and bread........

is none other than the astonishingly cool being of light of NDE fame who
met with Atheist Howard Storm...... .who is shocked that his consciousness
can exist outside of his body...... and Messiah gently leads Howard Storm
to genuine conversion.... while he is in that out of the body state.

In my opinion.... this is the immortal Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus fulfilling
Isaiah chapter 42 to 46 about the Cyrus type!

Ancient King Cyrus gave freedom of religion to all 127 provinces of the Medo - Persian Empire.....and
the religion of each of those provinces..... and he also decreed the rebuilding of
the Temple of Solomon that was eventually accomplished by his grandson through
Queen Hadassah - Esther.

Many of us Christians cannot imagine that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus has the freedom to
be so polite and merciful to somebody who is an angry Atheist.... just before his
brush with death..... I get the impression that you would not be totally shocked if you
eventually find out that it was none other than Messiah Yeshua - Jesus who met with
Howard and inspired him to radically alter his life.


http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html
Reverend Howard Storm's Near-Death Experience

It's just me..... I admit that I could be incorrect in this assumption.........
but at least it is based on researching both NDE accounts as well as the Jewish and
Christians scriptures for many years.

 

My wife is a gifted Pentecostal who in my opinion is not
a heretic against Christianity as taught by Paul who sure seems to have believed in
both some forms of glossalia...... as well as of genuine prophetic utterances that will come to pass......

.... but those prophecies are often meant as a warning so that we can make changes... .and avoid the
disasters that have been shown to some gifted people.

I personally am of the belief that if the Apostle Paul could miraculously appear in our time period......
that he would be unlikely to write off the visionary dreams given to Pastor Shane Warren that I quote here in this discussion:


http://www.politicalforum.com/econo...eath-usa-dollar-shane-warren-sees-vision.html
George Soros calls for death of the USA dollar... Shane Warren sees this in vision?!

I first saw this interview back in 2012:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87l4512Q4rY

Shane Warren is shown a vision of a hurricane of dollar bills.... that he assumes means the devaluation of the USA dollar.
....
George Soros Declares the Death of the Dollar

http://endthelie.com/2011/04/09/glo...-the-death-of-the-dollar/#kICURjCXkFAOBEVw.99

 

Forcing one's religious beliefs on others - such as threatening physical violence, coercion, fine or imprisonment for acts that are not directly injurious to others - Adultery, Sodomy, Abortion, Prostitution, Pot, Alcohol (so called "moral crimes") is something Jesus preached against.

For you to claim to be a member of the clergy and to be ignorant of these most basic and fundamental teachings of Jesus is an anathema to any sincere follower of Christ.

When a crowd wants to stone the adulterous (use of physical violence to enforce religious belief) Jesus stops them saying "let ye who is without sin cast the first stone).

The foundation of the ministry of Jesus in relation to how people should act towards each other (the rule that sums up the law and the prophets) - the Golden Rule is:

Matt 7 - 12 "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets."

Essentially - if you do not want others forcing their religious beliefs on you through violence/Law, then, do not do the same to others.

Jesus restates this principle a number of times in a number of ways for those who did not understand it the first time. "Let ye who is without sin cast the first stone" is one example.

Judge not lest you be judged is another. Take stone out of own eye before trying to pick speck out of brother's eye is another.

Defending yourself if someone is harming you directly is one thing, although even in this Jesus council's forgiveness. Going out and trying to force your religious beliefs on others by threatening to harm them is completely against the teachings of Jesus.

I will not, nor did I, call you a liar because you do not understand these most basic teachings of Jesus in relation to conduct towards others. Perhaps it is just ignorance or denial ?

Regardless - That one is not to force moral religious beliefs (things where no direct harm is involved) on others through violence is clearly part of the teachings of Jesus.

 

You misunderstood the post. It's Just Me - is saying that Jesus did not teach his followers not to force their beliefs on others.

Not surprising in the least that IJM did not correct your mis-reading.