The Great Christian Civil War and Donald Trump.

Do think that someone who calls themselves "Clergy" but can only manage to through out insults during a discussion of Jesus should not be suspected of being an impostor? So far, all you have done is throw out insults and cry out "NO NO NO ... Your wrong , wrong wrong"

The children are still waiting for you to comment on the teachings of Jesus and quotes presented in relation to the teachings of Jesus with something other than name calling.

 

Look, kid, I've already explained it to you, I can't make you understand it, you are clearly in over your head. You need to do some serious scholarly reading instead of hanging out here and pontificating. I can recommend something if you would like it.

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Look, kid, I've already explained it to you, I can't make you understand it, you are clearly in over your head. You need to do some serious scholarly reading instead of hanging out here and pontificating. I can recommend something if you would like it.

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Look, kid, I've already explained it to you, I can't make you understand it, you are clearly in over your head. You need to do some serious scholarly reading instead of hanging out here and pontificating. I can recommend something if you would like it.

 

You did not explain anything. All you have done is name call and cry "NO NO NO ... Your wrong wrong wrong" which is not an explanation for much.

and, as is the case in this latest post, make false claims about those you disagree with.

 

We Christians do not like to admit
to the statistics that indicate that we
treated the First Nations peoples of North and South America
much like the nation of Germany treated Jews, Jehovah's Witnesses,
members of the LGBT community, Russians and prisoners of war,
during the Nazi era.



Matthew Fox.
The Coming of the Cosmic Christ. (page 25)

On the other hand.......
My English ancestors truly feared what could be accomplished by a combined
First Nations plus French army...... that was well equipped.........

My English ancestors felt that at any time the French could decide to equip their
First Nations allies and drive us into either the Atlantic or Pacific Ocean......
or perhaps into the Great Lakes........

That doesn't justify what our ancestors did.... but it does help to make the
whole thing somewhat more understandable.......

My English ancestors were good at using both the Jewish
as well as the Christian Bible to justify specific acts..........
that would certainly not have been condoned by Rabbi Yeshua -Jesus if
he had been here during that time period.

 

The stuff they did to the Indians was nasty for sure. Not much to be proud of and certainly not in keeping with the teachings of the good Rabbi.

What was perhaps even more evil and insidious was what they did to their own people. The thinking back in the day was that the natives were "savages" not really full people and in some ways this justifies what was done.

This logic does not work for white folks living in your own country under your rule. There is a whole other level of justification required to kill, torture and persecute those folks they way the leaders of the Church did/oversaw/condoned/propagated.

 

So true.......
we Protestants like to feel superior....... but.....


http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-irish-slave-trade-the-forgotten-white-slaves/31076
The Irish Slave Trade – The Forgotten “White” Slaves

The Slaves That Time Forgot

......

 

No, read what I actually wrote (not that it will do any good) in response to what you actually wrote and stop playing the victim. The explanation is there if you will only see it and you ARE wrong. I know you don't think you can be wrong but you really don't understand theology or the Bible. You talk about fundamentalists but you are a fundamentalist coming from the other direction, which is why I call people like you "fundamentalist atheists".

Now, feel free to continue your closed minded, agenda driven rant, which, in case you don't know it, DOES go against the teachings of Jesus.

 

You continue to claim "your wrong, you don't understand" usually followed some name calling "stop playing the victim", but fail to give any explanation of "WHY" I am wrong.

Perhaps you explained some things to other posters and are confused because you sure as heck have not explained anything to me.

I have made a specific claim (Jesus did not condone using physical violence to force personal or religious moral beliefs on others) and given numerous quotes from Jesus in support of that claim.

You have not even attempted to address quotes from Jesus (explaining how the teachings of Jesus do not support my claim, giving a different interpretation of the meaning of his words) never mind refute my claim.

You have given no explanation and no alternate interpretation. All you do is stand on your soapbox crying "wrong, wrong, wrong", build straw men and name call.

 

J

Post 78, and you still have not demonstrated that anybody is using physical violence to force you to do anything.

 

I responded to post 78 despite the fact that it was full of straw men (you accusing me of things I did not say) and irrational fallacy and/or complete misunderstanding of the topic and you had no response other than crying "your wrong".

For example - I quote Jesus:

Why are you quoting the 10 commands. We all know the 10 commands. Doing this does not address my claim or the point of Jesus "Do unto others teaching".

The question at hand is not even dealing with acts injurious to others "murder, theft, false witness " so why are you mentioning them ?

My point was related to acts (so called moral crimes) and I specifically said that these were not acts injurious to others and have given examples such as adultery and then quoted Jesus "Let ye without sin cast the first stone".

Nowhere did I say that Jesus condoned Adultery (or any of the other things murder, theft and so on) as you are implying.

For about the third or fourth time now - There is a difference between 1) having a belief and 2) forcing that belief on others. (personal moral religious beliefs in this case)

Jesus said to obey the law but, he did not say that were were to force others to obey (moral laws)/ punish people for those breaking moral laws such as adultery.

Yes I have, a number of times. You have just not understood. So for the third or 4th time.

Making a Law is using the threat of physical violence to force compliance with that law.

For example: Suppose a group people do not like alcohol due to religious or personal belief.

1) It is one thing to have a belief - if you do not like alcohol ... don't drink.

2) it is a completely different thing to force others to comply with that belief.

If this person votes for, accepts or condones a law that ban's alcohol then on the basis of personal belief they are forcing that personal belief on another human through threat of physical violence or worse.

What about this do you not understand ?

 

Ml

Well, if you knew anything about this at all, you would know that "Do unto others" is called the summary of the law, with the 10 commandments being the law. In other words, if you "do unto others", you have kept the law. This is a well known Jewish and Christian principle.

So, if you advocate murder (abortion), lying, stealing, or adultery (which you specifically mentioned in your first post on this topic) you are advocating breaking the law and you can't claim to be doing unto others as you would have it done to you. In other words, you're a massive hypocrite and have no business lecturing Christians about Christianity.

Worse, you accuse me of deception for telling you the truth.

 

Furthermore, your so-called victimless crimes like abortion and adultery are specifically mentioned in the Law, along with keeping the Sabbath and worshipping idols. Don't go to Church on Sunday? You are not keeping the Law, and you are not keeping the Law by committing adultery or murdering the unborn, but you want to lecture me about what "doing unto others"?

Doing unto others hangs all the Law and the prophets, remember? That's what Jesus said. He also said give to Caesar that which is Caesars, and Caesar makes the laws, not me. I vote for people, I don't vote for laws or enact laws.

So you are all wet all the way around.

 

Are you intentionally being ignorant or do you just have major reading comprehension issues?

I was the one that posted that "Do unto others" sums up the law and the Prophets.

For the 5th or 6th time now.. what part of the difference between 1) Having a belief and 2) forcing that belief on others do you not understand.

You keep listing 1) Beliefs. I have not been questioning that Jesus taught such beliefs so why do you keep bringing them up ?

I have never disagreed that Jesus taught the 10 commandments so quit falsely speaking as if I have.

What he did not teach was 2) that one should force moral- beliefs on others through violence.
This was my claim and this is what you keep avoiding.

 

Who is advocating any of those things ? Where ... show me where I advocated those things.

What a completely disingenuous fabricator of falsehoods (Straw men). I never advocated murder, lying, stealing or adultery.

 

YOUR CLAIM IS A LIE. NOBODY IS FORCING YOU TO DO ANYTHING, EITHER BY VIOLENCE OR NON-VIOLENCE, YOU'RE MAKING IT UP.

...and you have yet to demonstrate otherwise. Then you launch into a self defeating argument about the summary of the law as if you know what it means, and you don"t. Get your act together, or I'm going to tell your mom.

 

Do not blame me that you can not figure out that making a law compels people to comply with that law by threat of physical violence or other means of force.

Just turn on the television if you want a demonstration of physical violence happening to people when they violate the law.

My apologies for talking over your head. I did not realize you were this clueless.

 

If Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus was back here with us at this time......
do you think that this would be the message that he would have for Giftedone?


I ask myself that question a lot these days..... and usually my answer is ..... NO!

I can't really get this right either!


Mat 5:25

 

This is true...... but in all the posts I have ready by Giftedone.... I don't think he was advocating that type of behavior.......

I will have to go back and see for sure..... I do know that he might have been referring to some pretty scary laws that
are there in the law of Moses, that was written for a time of literal warfare.... .which is a different set of circumstances than
the planning of a spiritual war as done by Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus, (who was and is Moshiach/ Messiah).

Messiah Consciousness as manifested one thousand or two thousand years in the future can appear
to be the polar opposite to Moshiach / Messiah Consciousness as manifested one or two millennia in the past.....

... for example the statement to turn the other cheek... seems to be the
opposite of slaying giants as done by King David an anointed King / Moshiach / Messiah of Israel.

 

But how can I tell the difference between channelling... .and some sort of open vision?

I read a fascinating article a few days ago that I believe you will find interesting... I did comment on it.


https://www.facebook.com/notes/nati...n-the-making-by-reeni-mederos/510694685796579


Donald Trump, A Prophet In The Making by Reeni Mederos

I commented.....
Reeni, I absolutely love how you take Mr. Trump, as is, where is, and encourage him to go up step by step.
"And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD'S people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them!" (Numbers 11:29)

A time is coming..... and in my opinion is nearly upon us now..... when the most FEEBLE resident of Jerusalem, will be gifted on a level comparable to King David. So why would it surprise us that these gifts would begin to manifest in a man who many many many gifted Christians and Jews are praying for.

Zechariah 12:8
"In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them."

I have a powerful feeling that there is a major connection between Mr. Donald Trump with the Patriarch Jacob / Yacob. It is NOT a coincidence that Isaiah 42 - 49 is writing about Jacob in one sentence.... and Cyrus in the next!