The Impossibility of an Invasion of North America.

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  1. juanvaldez

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    That wasn't a war, it was an occupation. There are only two possible outcomes for an occupation, stay forever and leave. It only took us eight years and 58,000 dead to figure that out.
     
  2. AboveAlpha

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    Listen....I lost several family members in the stupid war and it was not even an occupation.

    The U.S. Military was perfectly capable of wiping out the NV but they simply were not allowed to.

    Tactics and strategies were dictated from DC and that can NEVER happen again.

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    I was drafted in 1966. Other than killed everyone in Vietnam, what should we have done? Every time we met the Vietnamese we kicked their asses. How long would you fight the Russians if they invaded America?
     
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    In my opinion , an invasion or attacks would be akin to what Israel is going through. Starts with Raza types and islamics banding at the border protected and in cohoots with the cartel and gangsters, bombing, beheading while starting a propaganda war targeting leftists with the message that European Americans stole land from Mexico and mixing that with another message, that European Americans are causing all the problems in the middle east. Propaganda like this serves to recruit unamerican types like resentful blacks and bored college students.


    I can see something like that. And our only friend will be Israel.
     
  5. AboveAlpha

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    Thank you for your service and it is indeed an honor.

    I lost 2 cousins in that damn war.

    I was too young but I have been all over the Middle East and I was there only 11 weeks ago.

    The Russian's as you know would not even be able to make it into North America as they simply do not have the Force Projection Capabilities to do it even if the came over to Alaska and i they tried we would wipe them out well before they made it.

    But let's say we didn't have the Military to stop them.

    Because North America is the heaviest armed population on the planet holding North America would be impossible.

    As far as Nam we should have been hitting Hanoi from the beginning and taking out Soviet supply lines as remember the Soviet's denied they were supplying the North so if we hit them what could they say?

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    No, it can't.

    from where is this enemy going to stage an attack that can land, say, 2.5 million troops in North America and then supply those troops over the course of a war?

    Russia? Russia and China as "allies" invading across the Bering Strait? Even assuming those "allies" could execute the logistics to move a 2.5 million man force into position, do you really think the US won't react?

    Wait, I know, paratroopers! Let's see, initial force to establish foothold of 200k troops along with equipment. Assuming 100 troops per plane with equipment to land, say in western Canada, that's 2000 transport planes plus 10,000 fighter escorts. And, given the sheer volume of defensive weapons that would be turned on this force, how many of those troops do you think would ever land.? Sorry, not there either.

    It just ain't happening.
     
  7. AboveAlpha

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    No it's not happening.

    The Russian Military can barely resupply a small force in Syria never mind attempt this!!

    I watched Russian soldiers in a very WWII style riding into the Ukraine on the top of their own tanks.

    It was a cluster F@#K!

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    Give Hilary 4 years and you will change your mind.
     
  9. Deckel

    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They don't need to move 2.5M troops across the Atlantic or the pacific. It is ridiculous to think that it would take that many troops to mount an invasion of 12K miles of largely undefended coastline.
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That only works in theory. If China were to say invade Seattle, most of our troops will not be headed to Washington State--they will be headed to Washington DC New York and the like to reinforce those area. Once they had a foothold on any city, you would see disintegration within the US in short order. Idaho would be negotiating like France in WWII except to become an independent nation. Those sentiments would spread t Texas and the South. There would be massive runs on food and gas which would cause shortages and more civil unrest. Your premise is that America would be united. My sense is it will be every state for themselves if not every man for themselves. If the navy or AF started shelling civilians mixed in with the invading forces, it will just accelerate the chaos that will disrupt those supply lines.
     
  11. AboveAlpha

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    LOL!!!

    Naw....it doesn't matter who is in....this will not change.

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  12. JakeJ

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    Historically, small military forces have been able to overrun massively greater population centers primarily by unrestricted atrocities and brutality terrifying the civil population so greatly that they capitulate rather than fight in extreme carrot-stick tactics. Any town, city or group that resists is 100% obliterated, literally killing everyone. However, those who surrender in total are not and those who join their side are rewarded. Genghis Khan, Alexander the Great, even Hitler's occupation of Europe are examples. This was nature of the conquests of the Muslim empire. Fight and be totally destroyed. Capitulate and survive. Most people capitulate. Then switch sides to the invader for practical reasons.

    No military invasion of the USA is possible due to retaliatory nuclear weapons. However, nothing really prevents unarmed civilian invasion combined with large population growth of the invaders who also gain power by political numbers and intimidate (riots, looting, criminality etc.) That has already happened to the USA and is increasingly so.

    In virtually the entire USA, white people replaced the indigenous people, though that by military slaughter, terrorism and disease. In many cities and regions, blacks came to replace whites as the largest population group. However, then in many areas, Latinos have replaced both whites and blacks as the majority population. Now, like in Europe but to a lesser level, there are communities that have been replaced by a Muslim majority.

    If I am correct, the phrase of this ethic, racial and cultural displacement by immigration is called "genetic migration" and "ethnic migration." Most invasions in world history were in this manner, with various levels of conflict or violence intermixed in it. In the end, whoever has the most babies wins.
     
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    Pick a number? and a place? How about 125k. and Oregon.

    That's about 1/4 the number of troops committed by the Allies on D-Day. They had England as a stage and only had to cross the English Channel. how is any enemy going to move that many troops across the Pacific without the US seeing and responding?

    The premise is silly and explanations of its possibility even sillier.

    Wait! Russia and China will form an alliance with Mexico and stage their "invasion" from Mexico.

    Of course the US would never see that and would never conduct a blockade of all air and sea traffic into Mexico...

    No, the premise is just silly.
     
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    Russia and China just has to have war games in the north pacific near the US. The US wouldn't fire a shot until they were less than 3 miles off-shore because they have no legal authority to do so.
     
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    "Legal authority?"

    PLEASE!!!!!

    625 troop carriers loaded with soldiers along with hundreds of support vessels, and aircraft leave Kamchatka headed for the US mainland and we're going to "wait?"

    Wait?

    Yeah, they'll be given fair warning when they leave Russian waters. Cruise missiles will begin taking out the support craft well past the 150 mile line then Naval and Air Force jets will begin taking out the troop carriers long before they get to shore.

    Local police will process any survivors floating ashore for deportation.
     
  16. AboveAlpha

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    The U.S. Navy would NEVER allow Chinese or Russian ships that close to the U.S. coast!!

    We would physically block them with our ships and if they tried to come closer we would blow them out of the water VERY EASILY!!!

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    They would have to be in the area first. Have they ever gotten the GW back from being stuck broken down in Japan?
     
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    Listen.....the U.S. Navy is unparalleled in power and if it was a Nation all to itself it would rank the #3 Most Powerful Military Behind #2 Russia and #1 U.S.

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    Ain't gonna be able to defend the homeland when the boats that work are always overseas.
     
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    USA can be invaded.

    China needs massive troop carrier cargo subs. The Japanese built massive cargo subs in WW2 to transport troops and this is how China should move the majority of its forces. China should not invade before nuking New York, Los Angeles and Washington. They should land at Texas and force a surrender from there. The big thing is to destroy USA to the point that it is not worth defending when the first wave of the invasion force lands which will just keep coming. China has two hundred million men to defeat USA and they can win a land battle against USA hands alone. The last time USA met the Chinese on land in battle was North Korea and they pushed you back to South Korea. USA cant defeat China in a land battle and it is just a matter of moving troops.

    The key to victory will be not wanting to occupy after victory only to secure the remaining population.
     
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    And since you are aware of quite a bit are you aware of the Tet Offensive and how this was the decisive battle of Vietnam? Are you aware of how the Vietnamese moved all that equipment for that massive attack without USA having any idea. the Americans were on a day off having a party when the attack began. Do you really think that it would be difficult to move forces and equipment to South American nations that are allies of the East? Russia moved a nuke to Cuba back in the day - China could do the same one thousand fold. China and Russia have many allies around the USA. it would also be easy to move equipment and forced into Mexico and also set up sleeper military units within the USA. I think that you for you to suggest that it is impossible for a non-North American nation to conquer the USA is ludicrous. There are plenty of ways to go. And how long would it take Russia to blitz through Alaska and Canada while China was doing its thing? If eastern powers really decide that they want to take USA out I dont see how you would stop them. Nuke the entire rest of the world? It can take more nuke hits. And eastern leaders are more willing to take those hits.

    edit - "Crack the sky! Shake the earth!" that is the way to defeat USA.
     
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    If life was normal in Mexico, Mexicans would never want to leave Mexico !
    I have spoken to many Mexicans, Mexican Government corruption allowing Drug cartel activity is making life impossible for the average Mexican as well as daily kidnappings, mass murder.
     
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    Lol, just too funny, at least we know you are an Enemy of America, duly noted and reported to NSA....
     
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    The NSA are big fans of mine.

    This is not my plan. You asked if USA can be conquered and of course it can. 200 million man army will conquer you no worries and you know it.

    And only 13 year old girls say "lol". Say Ha instead.
     
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    Do you have a good inland defense strategy do you? HA! You would have no chance. Your West Point generals are a bunch I did-nothing losers stuck in WW2. Plus the US military are massively overrated and can't even defeat Talibani on dirt bikes. And you think you can deal with Russia and China? Do you remember how terrified your population was after just a couple of building's were knocked down by terrorists? Imagine them when they wake up and hear that China and Russia and the Kings of the East are coming for them. The second amendment won't save you and that is for sure.

    Maybe you should get started on Trumps Wall. But do you really think that would keep the East out? They could just walk in from anywhere. It would be so easy to put thousands and thousands of military sleeper units within the US ready for the invasion into Texas by sea. And Cargo Sub's are clearly the way to go. US navy is big time overrated and obsolete. Your aircraft carriers are obsolete sitting ducks. The blitz to Texas would be in waves after you are already in disarray. You would not stop them. And air superiority won't stop the Kings of the East.
     

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