The Impossibility of an Invasion of North America.

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  1. Strasser

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    Exactly, and a significant chunk of the costs of that is easily corrected, if voters so desired it, but they don't. An anti-corruption drive and better oversight is needed, we don't even rank in the top 10 on the world corruption index, barely in the top 20, which is a disgrace,.
     
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    Indeed. #2 is easily corrected, but U.S. voters aren't interested in fixing that issue and reducing costs by some 30% and getting better bang for the bucks. Most of the business community in the U.S. see forming corporations and taking advantage of limited liability as a license to steal, as if they're suddenly entitled to the same morality as a mafia don or something, and this carries over to big corporations as well; having easily bribed Congressmen doesn't help either. I'm allowing for 'black budgets' being hidden in many of those defense contracts and budgets as well; they have to be laundered somewhere, after all, might as well be through line item 33,498, to some obscure 'company' in a suburb of Lincoln, Neb. or somewhere, for '$40 screws' or '$150 floor tiles' for a bathroom at Ft. Riley.
     
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    Strasser;

    Corruption?

    No argument about corruption. I don't even consider it a political question. Congress set up a bi-partisan commission some 20 years ago to close unneeded bases. It could close them without further congressional approval as I recall.

    Similar commissions should be set up for the military abuses, for medicare abuses, EPA abuses...every department in the government.

    Every dollar spent to find corruption could save hundreds.

    Mrs. Bernie Sanders is a good start.
     
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    It's more than a little embarrassing for the U.S. to rank over 10 places behind Singapore in corruption, especially given how effective Singapore's anti-corruption drive catapulted its economy into the strato-sphere relative to where it was 60 years ago. It's obvious what is needed, but no will among voters to demand it.
     
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    How can we get to the serious problems when the democrats want to waste time with the Russian Collusion Illusion?
     
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    I find this very concept laughable in the extreme.

    The US Coastline is over 13,000 miles. And along much of that are the largest and densest cities in our nation. As well as a large number of military bases (primarily Navy and Marine).

    Now to look to see if this is really possible, first you must look to the amphibious capabilities of the nations mostly mentioned as attackers. China and Russia.

    Now China does have around 70 "Amphibious Warfare" ships, but that number is actually misleading. Other than the 4 Type 71 ships, they are not really capable of reaching the US. The majority are little more than coastal landing ships, capable of transporting less than a company of infantry each. And each of those Type 71 ships carries roughly a heavy Infantry Battalion with support (tanks and artillery), little else.

    So China can send for this invasion, roughly 1 division.

    Now the Russian fleet is even worse! Their amphibious ships are all designed to operate in the Baltic, Caspian, and Black seas, as well as other coastal waters. Little more than large landing barges, they actually do not have any amphibious warfare ships designed to operate outside of their coastal waters.

    So here are the biggest problems. How would this invasion arrive in the US, and how could they land enough troops to be more than a minor annoyance? And secondly, how would they support and supply them?

    At this time, the US is the only nation on the planet that really maintains the capability to land a large number of troops anywhere on the planet with little notice. No other nation can do this, outside of the capabilities of say Russia and China to use this threat against it's closest neighbors.

    Invasion of the United States? Sounds like a bad Chuck Norris movie.
     
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    If an enemy had nuclear weapons and a delivery system for them, they wouldn't need to invade the U.S. Only a handful of nuclear weapons hitting our largest cities in a brief span of time, would totally incapacitate us as a functioning nation. Every impact site would be worse than the conditions we're experiencing in Puerto Rico right now. If even our 10 largest cities alone were targeted successfully, that would account for a sizable percentage of our total population, and represent the largest life-threatening disaster in human history. Based on our weak response for Puerto Rico this past week or two, trying to imagine how we'd cope with a disaster like multiple nuclear strikes, is beyond my ability to imagine, and certainly not in my ability to find positive outcomes for. I'm seriously concerned about the sanity of anyone who can.
     
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    Invasion of N America is tricky (it is difficult to think up a reason why one would want to invade), but technically US soil is in constant danger of invasion

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diomede_Islands

    only 3.8 km, separates US from the Evil Empire. If they will use motorized infantry on modern high tech dog-driven sleds, in winter time, in bad weather… If they will send more than 10 infantry man, with sufficient supply of alcohol, its all over, the defenses will fall. They will have their backdoor to strike for Washington or Ottawa… It will take ages for the US Government to realize that part of US land is now occupied by the forces of evil, and even longer, to find that part of land on the map.
     

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