The Justice Department dropped its case against former national security adviser Michael Flynn

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  1. George Bailey

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    What did the Soviets say?

    "Show me the man and I will show you the Crime."
     
  2. Egoboy

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    Pretty easy.....They had Eisenberg review the Kislyak call transcript and report back....

    Eisenberg also determined is was a possibility Flynn violated the Logan Act, but that he'd likely never be prosecuted for that...
     
  3. AmericanNationalist

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    All Barr did was appoint an OUTSIDE attorney to review the case, who then delivered the information. Which, unlike the criminals in he FBI that you're fond of, actually contributed to justice.

    And I do find it unfortunate that Rod Rosenstein could never advocate for justice and law while being AAG. In addition, I think we should see if the 'plan' was to sideline AG Sessions from the start. We should get a federal warrant for all texts to those in the Session meeting, about a month or two months in advance of said meeting to see if there was any premeditation.
     
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    It's always easy to work backwards with a predetermined conclusion to meet.....

    SNIP
    The U.S. attorney reviewing the Flynn case, Jeff Jensen, formally recommended dropping it to Barr last week, the course of action vehemently and publicly recommended by Trump, who appointed Barr to head the Justice Department.
    ENDSNIP

    Stevie Wonder could connect those dots...
     
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    This is man upon whose recommendation that Mike Flynn will no longer be persecuted.

    Jeffrey Jensen is an American attorney who currently serves as the United States Attorney for the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri. Prior to assuming his current role, he was a partner at Husch Blackwell LLP. Jensen was a Federal Bureau of Investigation special agent from 1989 to 1999. In 1999, he became an Assistant United States Attorney in the Eastern District of Missouri. He was an Executive United States Attorney from 2005 to 2009, leaving that position in order to start his own law firm.[1][2] Jensen has also served as a Certified Public Accountant for PricewaterhouseCoopers.
     
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  6. AmericanNationalist

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    You're right, those are the easiest cases to prosecute. That's why I thanked these lawbreakers for leaving a papertrail. It's why I should thank Page and Strozok for cheating on their spouses AND discussing their "work" to boot. I'll thank Prestap for hand writing his own participation in this mess.

    The Crossfire Hurricane team committed crimes against the US Penal Code. Not Donald Trump. The Penal Code. No one is above the law.
     
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    What goes around comes around.

    Merriam-Webster, treason, noun, trea·son | \ ˈtrē-zᵊn \
    Definition of treason
    1 : the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family
    2 : the betrayal of a trust : TREACHERY
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/treason

    DICTIONARY.COM, high treason, noun treason against the sovereign or state.
    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/high-treason
     
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    Good for him.

    Maybe he could jump over Kushner as Vaccine Czar?
     
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    Seems pretty cut and dried (my post that is). Dropping the case was unsurprising considering Barr and Trump run the DOJ now.

    It's (and with the majority of the Presidency with Trump) a joke. A sad, unfunny joke.

    Lol yeah, maybe in opposite land. But I guess that's everyday with Trump and his supporters.

    Lol yeah, they already proved it when he admitted to it and pled guilty.

    Then again, hypothetically speaking, if the RW view in this is right, I can't wait for them to discover how the average police system in your country conducts investigations and how it treats "potential" criminals. Because they get railroaded as much as the Right things Flynn was.
     
  10. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do we have someone with a set of brass ones to follow that paper trail?

    Hope so.
     
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    ~ Could this could be a peek into what Durham is finding ...?
    ✔ Supreme Court just ordered a Texas woman jailed for returning to work released .
     
  12. AmericanNationalist

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    Ah, but you see Criminal Justice reform used to be a BIG THING on Left wing circles.(And I was actually in favor. While not taking the same extremist language of calling it systematic racism.) But since it was Trump's people targeted, it's a little hush hush on that.

    But here's the bottom line: A coerced plea(which is what this was), is untenable in American federal court. What the DOJ did, was basically step in front of Judge Sullivan and say "We're stopping the bleeding, we yield.". Even if the DOJ hadn't yielded, the evidence was strong and compelling enough, that Judge Sullivan would likely have vacated the plea.

    When I said "political conditions", I meant that this evidence had become enough in the public domain, that more people were demurring than before. People were starting to understand that this was wrong to General Flynn and above all, these are gross violations of criminal law.

    Remember, Durham said it was a CRIMINAL investigation.
     
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  13. Egoboy

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    Ha... not a one of those people is worried about Barr and his prosecutor shopping...

    He's barely able to play defense to clear all the Trump scum...

    Doesn't stand a chance of going on offense ....
     
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    I thought the "walls were closing in on Trump". And as far as "clearing all the Trump scum." That remains a strong possibility because of all of this.(This is actually EXACTLY why you do things by the books. Even if your pro-getting every Trump member, you should be upset that they "played games" and jeopardized the case, because of it.)

    Now, a person like Paul Manafort(who I'd want to actually keep in prison) can have possible grievances depending on the evidence discovered. Roger Stone? Ditto.

    This is why process exists. This is what James Comey didn't understand and/or disregarded to get a quick edge in on an "incompetent administration."
     
  15. Egoboy

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    The walls can't close in on Trump because his AG has the bulldozer.... Trump is safe as a kitten through January...

    Barr could find a prosecutor to clear Timothy McVeigh, if Trump demanded it...
     
  16. AmericanNationalist

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    Let me ask again: Since you want all of the Trump people(and Trump himself) to be incarcerated for the crimes you believe they committed, are you upset that they didn't listen to Obama and didn't do things by the book?
     
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    Bullshit. I wouldn't wish what happened to Flynn on anyone, including you.
     
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    Its not a crime to lie to the FBI when there is no investigation.

    And since there was no investigation...
     
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    The longer the Flynn case went on the more devastating discovery showed up. Evidence that the Mueller team had kept hidden. Also the longer it went on the worse it was for the DOJ and FBI reputations.
     
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    I reject your supposition... everything in the Flynn perjury case was done by the book, and nothing put out today counteracts that..
     
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    The Government LITERALLY said it couldn't materially prove perjury. Why not? Where's the tape? The 302? Anything? That's the BIGGEST part of the government's statement. Not merely that it was withdrawing due to the corrupt activities, but that even if they chose to proceed, they concede they'd have a HARD time actually proving that he lied. Why? I thought it was a slam dunk.
     
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    That's my question as well....

    Sullivan is now almost forced to demand the release...

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/04/flynn-kislyak-transcript-1353483
     
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    Prosecutorial misconduct out the ass.

    Great news and kudos to Sidney Powell, as well. :beer:
     
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    I'm sure Durham did, and will do anything possible to try and give Trump something to try and use for the campaign.

    Here is the thing: I don't trust Barr. I don't trust the DOJ anymore (sessions was surprisingly ethical), and I don't trust Trump. Flynn admitted to lying and pled guilty. That should negate any other argument. I can't absolve someone for being stupid enough to go to an interview with the FBI who was investigating a Trump and those under him (Flynn included).

    Cops use pressure every day to get people to admit to crimes. Why does Flynn get a pass? Or alternatively, when do we see every other case in your Justice System where prosecutors/cops use grey area tactics to get guilty pleas (3% of Federal Criminal cases went to trial in the last 50 years. The rest were "resolved" through plea agreements) get reexamined for similar "improprieties"?
     
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    Because he's a "good guy" and should be let go??
     
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