The Liberal Advantage

That is fake news. Back up your claims with some proof and some sources.

 

This is only the second such thread I have started in 6 years. But hey, it is good to know that I loom so large in your thoughts.

I find it all rather humorous that many conservatives think that students go to school and get indoctrinated into being liberals. It ignores the fact that liberalism has a genetic feature to it. That certain traits appear as young as 4 and at that at age 8-10 liberal boys tend to exhibit greater intelligence than their classmates. They stand out because liberals are only 10-20% of the population. Which means that in a typical 5th grade class, there will be an average of one or two liberal boys and the teachers will tend to favor them. By time they get to college, their liberalism is already mostly developed. It is only in encountering other like minded individuals, and colleges are full of them, that liberalness is strengthened and celebrated.

I sometimes think that many conservatives think that students are indoctrinated in college due to lack of experience, but rather, like high school, their primary purpose is to separate out the slow from the bright. In high school there are teachers and councilors who subtly encourage certain students to drop out, or at least to seek out an alternate school, as well as to push the brighter kids to seek ever higher levels of education.

 

They have retaken the House and impeached Donald Trump, the president of low expectations.

 

Did you make up lies about tofu and soy beans in the other thread you started 6 years ago? I bet someone fact checks this and finds out you started other threads in 6 years too... lol

 

You call that an accomplishment? After wasting all that time, nothing has changed.

 

Wow, what a sad list of "accomplishments" that help all Americans and despite it all, he will still be the President.
Care to list a few more things Democrats have done to help all Americans since around February of 2017.

 

Constant TDS, bogus investigations costing millions, constant partisan obstruction, not accepting the results of an election, constant attempts to undermine the President, constant hate of Conservatives, constant race baiting, elected officials publicly calling for harassment (or worse) of other elected officials.

 

I won't speak for the poster you were responding to. What I will say - is that you must be horribly misinformed about what liberal is - if you think today's Blue Establishment has respect for the principles of classical Liberalism.

Not saying that is what you think - but it is woefully missing from your diatribes.

 

Oh I can understand the weed/wire worm mixup. I’m a midwestern/western US English speaker so of course I’m among the few English speakers without an accent. I wouldn’t catch half of what was said in the conversation you heard! Unfortunately we have Wireworms, too and they are one of the targets of neonicotinoids here as well. In fact populations of wireworms here are down and attributed to widespread use of neonicotinoids.

Straw for thatch is fascinating. That’s something I’ve never seen. What buildings get thatched these days? I envy you threshing as well. I’ve never experienced that either. My dad borrowed an antique corn sheller that ran a flat belt when I was a kid. Thats the closest thing to a threshing machine I’ve been around. Being used to v-belts, a flat belt on a flat pulley blew my mind!

Can you offer any insight into why Europeans are so opposed to GM? I understand the Roundup part, but it sounds like all your Roundup must be used as a burndown when there is no growing crop. We use GM traits to control root worm, western bean cutworms, ear worm, etc. as well as for herbicide resistance. Even Hawaii used GM to rescue the papaya industry and Hawaiians are closer to Europeans on most environmental issues than to the rest of the US.

This circles back around to the OP again. Here in the US the demographic most opposed to GMO’s is the “liberals” of the OP. They seem to have no problem justifying negative outcomes from technology like social media induced teen suicide and depression, but when any perceived or real harm comes from GMO’s they become modern day luddites. There is no desire to improve the technology or come up with ways to work around the problem, they simply want to destroy the technology. Wind turbines kill some birds? Meh. Tech heavy lifestyle leads many to a sedentary unhealthy life? Meh. A GMO has a scientifically determined insignificant effect on butterflies and they lose their poop. It’s something that isn’t logical.

Anyway, thanks for finding out all the information to answer my questions. It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out for farms like the one where you live.

 

By golly that gives me an idea, thinking about building a bike camper, similar to this...(bike is very similar to one of mine) how about thatching it? Or Florida's version... Would need some sort of weaving and would it actually hold up to heavy rains? I guess somewhat as both pioneers and indians used it for ages. Just think, pulling off in a cut to stealth camp, it would blend in well. Rolling duck blind.

 

True - the correct way of putting it would be to say that "Socialism/wealth redistribution" brought you those things. It was not only Blue that engaged in the practice of socialist policies.

 

Just cheat and put canvas underneath it to make sure it's watertight. You wouldn't see the canvas from outside.

 

Thought about that but it would defeat the purpose, waterproof yet allowing ventitalion. Think I will stick with mosquito net with roll up canvas sides, going out like an RV porch. It's gets very hot and humid here, on summer nights.

 

I've written quite a bit about thatching over on Tecoyah's excellent chat thread. It starts here http://politicalforum.com/index.php...rum-chat-thread.561017/page-5#post-1070948792 and goes on for about 3 pages interspersed with a bit of chat about slingshots, other roofing materials and sustainability.
Pulley wheels are slightly convex by the way. The belt wants to ride ''uphill' so the belt finds it's way back to the middle. It still baffles me that they don't come of more often though as they are really quite loose. There's a video or two over in the chat thread I linked.

 

I can offer a little insight into why some in the UK are opposed to GM.The rest of Europe is a large and diverse continent and a British point of view wouldn't necessarily represent places as far apart and different as Greece and Sweden.
A lot of it is just pure ignorance, aided by ''frankenstein foods'' headlines in some of the more sensationalist tabloids on both wings of the political spectrum.
The more informed are worried about superplants resistant to weeds and herbicides spreading uncontrolably into the ''natural'' environment. In the same way that some non-indigenous plants like Japanese knotweed have.
Many like me are still on the fence about it. I can see the advantages but want to know more about the possible pitfalls.

 

I don't think direct comparisons between the divisions in society in the UK and US can be easily made.
For a start, I don't think the UK is as divided as the US. Not in terms of a left-right split anyway.
Even with Brexit, which clearly has divided the country, it wasn't as simple as a left-right split. Many of the Brexit voters in the North of England were very left-wing and were motivated by poverty and a perceived threat to jobs from EU immigrants. Same with other under-invested in parts of the UK like Wales. Many just voted against the Tory government rather than actually voting for Brexit. Don't forget that all the major parties including the Conservatives were pro-remain. Then there were the more traditional right-wing voters and more extreme right such as UKIP under Farage who voted Brexit out of some sense of returning to a ''Great'' Britain where Britannia ruled the waves and you didn't have to overhear foreigners speaking in other languages on the bus.
So really, it was the moderates nearer the middle of the political spectrum who were remainers and the more extreme on both sides of the spectrum who voted Leave. All of my family are Conservative voters but they all voted remain as did the Daily Mail reading farmer whose land I live on. I also voted remain but have never voted Tory (or Labour).

Our whole left right spectrum is different from yours anyway IMO. Over here most people who understand my political leanings would probably describe me as a slightly right of centre liberal. By American standards I'm seen as much more left wing and am even called a Marxist by the most rabid members of the two US political forums I use.

I think that the UK is still more divided along class lines than political ones really.

 

Utter nonsense. Business people trying to make money you almost all of those things.

 

I can and will complain about any office holder when they stray from their promises. The best thing about neocons is that a lot of them left government in 2018. most of those that are left will face the ultimate term limiter in the not too distant future.

 

Everyone is a hero on the internet.

 

That you can't see that there is a difference between the views of Adams and Roosevelt is a joke.

 

Yes, I am aware of your posts. You are one of the more intelligent, if equally misguided, liberals.

And yet there is the mental health crisis I mentioned and which you did not. Why are all these bright, liberal students so f*cked up in the head these days?

 

Really?
ANOTHER reading from the book of ubermensch > untermensch?
Can't you, of such superior intelligence and creativity, find a new shtick?

 

That liberals pretend they have an ideological kinship to the people who literally and philosophically created this country, and are somehow different than those they call "progressives", is.

 

Perhaps you have been so immersed in the liberal world that you have become numb to inanity of the message.