The only Jewish 2020 Dem candidate, boosts Ihman Omar's comments about Israel

There is no doubt that anti Zionism and anti Israel is short hand for being anti Jew.

The inordinate amount of time complaining of one of the world's leading democracies, an island in an ocean of ignorance, is completely disproportionate to it's size and population.

 

Rubbish, there are plenty of Jews who are both anti Zionist and anti Israel (in its present form). The use of antisemitism to stop discussion of Zionism (which at its historical core is antisemetic) and Israel has devalued the word which is in itself dangerous to Jews.

 

Why would they not be Jews?

 

Because they were Atheists, which according to your billion dollar brain cannot be taken seriously as a Jew!

 

That isn't the claim made in the OP.

 

What context makes this particular criticism of Israel racist? The fact the statement was made by a Muslim woman?

 

Just because the Jewish Faith is connected to the Jewish identity - does not mean that Jews need to believe in God. The Jewish religion is more than God. It includes a way of life as well. For example - Jews are taught to question everything - even God. This is one thing that sets the Jewish religion apart from Christianity and Islam. Adherents to the latter are taught not to Question - "just have Faith". This would never fly with a Jew.

Adherents to Christianity and Islam are taught that if you "question" or "don't believe" the worst thing the mind can imagine will happen to you - Eternal Torture in the Afterlife. This fear goes deep into the subconscious of the adherent. When the adherent encounters information or evidence that conflicts with belief "dangerous thoughts" the fear factor is triggered. The mind of the adherent will then not to think about those bad thoughts out of fear of eternal torture These are called "thought stopping techniques"

There are many "thought stopping techniques". Some examples are avoidance and denial. The adherent will immediately try to change the topic and/or deny the "bad thought". A favorite technique is "demonization of the other" . The adherent will engage in all kinds of ad hom fallacy in an attempt to discredit the source - rather than address the information.

You see Church leaders - especially within Fundamentalist sects - training adherents (= using sophisticated mind control techniques).

The Church Leader and/or Pastor will create a "black vs white" , Good vs Evil, God vs Devil Paradigm. Church Dogma/Doctrine is "Good" - anything, or any person, that conflicts with this dogma is "Evil". Those that question Church dogma are said to be
"under the influence of Satan". This is done in conjunction with ramping up the "fear factor". This is done by what is known as "fire and brimstone" - telling the adherents of the horrible things that will happen to them should they fall away from "the faith".

In really destructive cults - some extremist versions of Christianity and Islam fall into this category - the leader will use an apocalyptic narrative. "The end of the world is coming soon" - There is a war going on between "Good and Evil" -a war that involves the principalities - a war between God and Satan and you are either "with us or against us". "The world is going to end and the battle for your eternal soul is at hand. Satan is around every corner trying to Trick you"

This ramps up the fear factor even further by scaring the heck out of the adherent. In some cases - killing in the name of God is justified on this basis. The "Demonization of the other" becomes so extreme and the fear so great that anything is justified. This works particularly well when there are external factors in play .. such as the US attacking some Muslim nation. The leaders then cast the attackers as "the infidel" but then extend the hatred and fear to all aspects of US/ /Western society - such as the dreaded "Secularism"

While Christians and Islamic adherents are particularly susceptible to this kind of mind control (on various levels from mild to extreme) - Jew are not.

It is important to keep in mind that the techniques described above are not limited to use in a religious context. You will find these techniques often used in a non-Religious context if you pay attention - complete with the same "denial/avoidance" response. d

So 1) you do not know what you are talking about with respect to being a Jew
2) you have no idea what being a serious Jew is and/or your benchmark "belief in God" is seriously flawed.

 

I appreciate you supporting my position. They are proof that it is safe. Why else would they have fled to Israel? They received years of safety and will receive some money to help them get a fresh start. Please tell us what the rest of the region offered these refugees.

 

There is no doubt that there are self hating Jews, just as there are Americans or Brits who don't like many of their country's policies. That's common throughout the world. But the animosity shown against the Jewish people is not comparable to anything else the world has known, and the source of these hatreds is always ignorance.

 

Now we can see the real antisemites on the forum , you decide on who is a self hating jew do you!

 

You can read my post a dozen times and never read that. The part you should focus on is Israel being surrounded by hatreds and ignorance.There is no doubt about that at all.

 

Israel, is an apartheid state created by terrorist scum, what has that to do with antisemitism. Colonialists have always been hated by the indigenous population,again you single jews out as if they are different, why?

 

It is not apartheid, which highlights my point made in the previous post.

 

It certainly is, it maintains a jewish majority by artificial means!

 

They do that by controlling their borders, a right which every country enjoys. Border control is not 'apartheid' any more than the border of Iran or SA is apartheid, but I never expected you to know that anyway.

 

Now you show your ignorance, they maintain it by not allowing the rightful owners to return to their homes, by ethnic cleansing and state terror. The fact is they are colonialists and you have avoided that and the reason Israel is hated, instead you offer jew hatred as the reason!

 

Do the people have proof of ownership? A deed of some sort? It's a Muslim hate thing but the Jews were in the area hundreds of years before Mohammed was even a gleam in his papa's eye.

 

According to who? Zionists?

You have it completely backwards.

You see, the time spent lavishing praise on Israel is inordinate.

In terms of its actual importance, the amount of time and energy that the US government dedicates to Israel is wildly disproportionate.

Naturally, then, people are going to complain when a relatively tiny country wields such massive influence over US politics.

It would be like if Nigeria had the most powerful lobby in the US. Nobody would tolerate such a bizarre state of affairs. Yet somehow Israel has managed to become the most influential foreign lobby in the history of this country. People have every right to complain about such a strange situation.

 

if anybody tries to tell you that being jewish is an ethnic or racial identity then be wary of whom you are dealing, likely a hidden agenda is at play.

Any human being can become Jewish if they are guided correctly, thus there is no genetic marker other than the one that makes us human.

 

ok first thing, Israel is not a she, Israel is named after Jacob, a man. This is small detail but important, also, Israel, the state, does not have the authority on Jews. There are millions scattered all around the world, powerless, to think a few rich powerful White Jewish Europeans who run Israel are the authority on what constitutes an Israelite is naive, akin to believing Donald Trump is the Authority on the Mayan Civilization.

 

Can you not see who submitted the post???

Any idea why that is so? Israel is just a speck on the map and there are only 15 million Jews in the entire world and no natural resources except hard work and intelligence..And they gain this influence without committing acts of terror. Have you really thought this through?

Read the previous paragraph for a better understanding.

 

I can see that you submitted your personal opinion, devoid of any facts, evidence, or logic in support of it.

The use of money to corrupt US politicians, just like Omar said.

Your claim that Israel hasn't committed acts of terror is false. Israel was founded by Zionists who committed acts of terrorism,

There is no understanding to be found in the previous paragraph, just empty platitudes about how supposedly wonderful Israel is.

 

Ok, you understand it was my personal opinion but still asked, "According to who? Zionists?" Rather silly response.

This is your opportunity to provide some evidence for your claim, rather than relying on what Omar has to say.

Anything as recent as Islamic terrorism? We know that Muslims have been committing acts of terrorism in the US while the Israelis have not. That should certainly give them more credibility than Muslims.

Then you should read it again.

 

You didn't seem to realize it was just your personal opinion, seeing as how you prefaced it with the statement "there is no doubt".

There is actually a great deal of doubt about the veracity of your opinion.

Depends on how you define "terrorism". I'm pretty sure the women and children who are slaughtered by the Israeli military would consider it a form of terrorism.

There is no need.

 

You're quite right. I should have prefaced it with "Apart from Leftists and Muslims".

Here's America's point of view of Muslims, and that opinion is pretty much shared throughout the world. https://www.google.com/search?q=9/11+images&rlz=1C1GCEA_enCA776CA776&oq=9/11+images&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.50496j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8