The Progressive Agenda means the Right to Earn a Living Wage for All Americans.

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  1. Mac-7

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    Slowly creeping foward at a snails pace may be good enough for obama voters

    but the rest of us expect more

    And trump is delivering
     
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    only if you don't know anything about economics. economies like ours, don't turn on a dime. upward trends have been happening since the Obama administration.

    And, the trade-off the right wing made, was not worth it; http://www.usdebtclock.org/
     
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    I am just quoting the news, pal, and you can twist and turn all you want.
     
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    I cant disagree with that

    America lost 70,000 factories after NAFTA and free trade with china

    It will take time to recover from that diaster
     
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    market trends have been trending upward, since the Obama administration; every chart shows that. fundamentals matter, under Capitalism, right wingers.
     
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    The stock market is an illusion

    I’m talking about real jobs for real people
     
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    Since February, after Trump took office, the economy has gained nearly 1.7 million jobs, according to preliminary data on nonfarm payroll for November. But once again, the job gains are part of a multiyear trend that started in 2010 while Obama was still in office.--https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/12/14/comparing-the-trump-economy-to-the-obama-economy/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.be5e92ca067c
     
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    “The auto industry supports one of every 10 jobs in the United States,” Gov. Jennifer M. Granholm of Michigan wrote in a CNN.com plea for a bailout of Detroit’s Big Three. The day before, she told “The Early Show” on CBS that “this industry supports one in 10 jobs in the country,” adding, “If this industry is allowed to fail, there will be a ripple effect throughout the nation.” Many others have used the same statistic.

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    The statistic seems to indicate that 10 percent of American jobs – a total of roughly 14 million jobs, if you’re just looking at the Bureau of Labor Statistics non-farm payroll report – could evaporate if the Detroit Three are allowed to fail. But that’s not actually what the statistic refers to.

    The widely cited 1-in-10-jobs figure appears to come from a 2003 study conducted by the Center for Automotive Research on the “economic contributions of the motor vehicle to the U.S. economy, to a multitude of U.S. industries in retail, manufacturing and service sectors, and to individual Americans.” (C.A.R. is a nonprofit research organization with industry, labor, academic and government ties; this particular study was commissioned by the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, an industry group).

    The study concludes that “new vehicle production, sales, and other jobs related to the use of automobiles are responsible for 1 out of10 jobs in America.
     
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    The automotive industry has one of the largest supply chains in the country. That is because of the vast parts used in making up a vehicle and which most of them are not manufactured in the plant. But it also creates many more jobs than just the production of the vehicle. That is why they are saying 1 in 10 jobs depend on the auto industry. I heard it a different way but this is even bigger than I heard it.
     
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    No amount of DEBUNKED alt right DISINFORMATION alters the FACT that it was the Republican/Libertarian fiscal malfeasance that caused the 2008 economic collapse.
     
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    Your information is OUT OF DATE!

    Gov Granholm left office at the end of 2010.

    Your study is from 2003.

    The Big 3 were BAILED OUT by Obama so he gets the CREDIT for ALL of those jobs INCLUDING those in the subsidiary sector.
     
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    You have not cited any CURRENT economist or statistics that would give any credit to your BLOTUS regarding the automotive sector jobs.
     
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    Your quoting the bias news from the Left. I am quoting exactly what happened under Obama's policies and they weren't good for America. What Trump has done has lifted America up and got millions off of food stamps.

    Millions drop off food stamps - finance.yahoo.com
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/millions-drop-off-food-stamps...
    More than 2.8 million have stopped participating in the Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program (SNAP) – commonly known as food stamps – since Trump’s first full month in office, the data showed. Food stamp enrollment in May 2018 was 39,329,356 versus 42,134,301 in February 2017.


    44.7 Million Americans Now on Food Stamps -- More …
    https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/447-million-americans-now...
    If you compare the average increase per year of the number of people on food stamps during the Bush administration (1.5 million) versus the average increase per year during the Obama administration (5.5 million) – food stamps have increased nearly 4 times more per year under Obama than under Bush.
     
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    Doesn't make a darn difference if Granholm is out of office or not. The economy still works the same.




    The Big Two was bailed out, started by Bush in his final weeks in office. Bush also bailed out the banks which there could be no recovery without them .Obama just carried on where Bush left off.

    Did President Obama save the auto industry? | PolitiFact
    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/sep/06/did...
    Rubenstein said no one should overlook the importance of Bush’s decision to use $17.6 billion in TARP money in December 2008 to keep General Motors and Chrysler afloat.
     
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    yes; and the charts, explain all of that.
     
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    USA today. Whatever you say, and you are getting your info from the right.
    Who cares where it came from if it is accurate, and it is.
     
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    You don't seem to get anything right do you? The Left was as much responsible for the crash as the Right, hell even more. The crash came about because of the housing fiasco and The Democrats were pushing loans to the poor and people to poor that should have never qualified for a home loan. They did it starting back around 1993 and were still going strong in 2005 and later. Clinton forced banks to give a certain portion of their loans to the poor or be sued.


     
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    Barney Franks lies about home ownership

     
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    Bill Clinton said Democrats wouldn't listen to Republicans.


     
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    We need to solve simple poverty to better ensure full employment of resources in our markets.
     
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    [​IMG]President Barack Obama was a pioneering contributor to the national subprime real estate bubble, and roughly half of the 186 African-American clients in his landmark 1995 mortgage discrimination lawsuit against Citibank have since gone bankrupt or received foreclosure notices.

    As few as 19 of those 186 clients still own homes with clean credit ratings, following a decade in which Obama and other progressives pushed banks to provide mortgages to poor African Americans.

    The startling failure rate among Obama’s private sector clients was discovered during The Daily Caller’s review of previously unpublished court information ( here) from the lawsuit that a young Obama helmed as the lead plaintiff’s attorney..

    Since the mortgage bubble burst, some of his former clients are calling for a policy reversal.

    “If you see some people don’t make enough money to afford the mortgage, why would you give them a loan?” asked Obama client John Buchanan. “There should be some type of regulation against giving people loans they can’t afford.”

    Progressive activists’ ambition instead contributed greatly to a housing bubble that burst in 2007, crashed the nation’s economy in 2008, wiped out at least $4 trillion in equity, kept unemployment above 8 percent for four years, and damaged the intended beneficiaries of looser mortgage lending standards.” read the full story: here

    And there is crux of the problem: Democrat policies. These are the policies behind Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac, both government controlled entities. Those who run them, ran both into the ground as they themselves (Democrats) became rich at our expense. This is the same problem which caused the housing market to finally crash the past few years: Democrat policies.

    Under Clinton, the idea was to gain more black votes, by giving mortgages to people who couldn’t afford to pay them back — the whole idea behind a mortgage or loan, is ‘paying it back’. But Democrats, in usual form, played racial based politics with people’s desire to own a home.

    These mortgage were literally forced on banks by Clinton’s Janet Reno, who threatened banks with government investigation if these policies weren’t followed through.

    When it finally all began to fall apart, Barack Obama conveniently blamed George W Bush.

    Democrats used failed polices of the past, over and over again. When they head south into the proverbial political toilet, the Democrats always point to Republicans.

    Barack Obama Pushed Banks To Give Subprime Loans
    https://rightpunditry.wordpress.com/2012/09/03/barack-obama-pushed...
     
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    You solve poverty through good jobs. Not the 90% service and part time jobs created by the Democrat's policies as Obama did. Bringing back good jobs is just what Trump is doing, but your to blind to see it.
     
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    Full employment of resources is what I am advocating. An upward pressure on wages has to be Institutional, not Individual in our First World economy. People should have the option of quitting and going on unemployment; it really is more ethical than Having to be a Crony for Capital.
     
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    Damn right my info is right. You can look at those videos I put up and hear it from their own mouth.
     
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    Wages go up as demand for labor increases. If you try and increase labor above what the job is worth, you only chase business away. Trump is bringing good jobs back. Many will pay higher wages, others will go up as for demand for labor goes up. You listen to all that bull crap the Left puts out and I keep showing you it's wrong. You only have to look at Obama's job creation and all the manufacturing that left to know it's wrong and the Left want to go back and do the same stupid things.
     

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