The Remorseful: Are right-wingers who spread anti-vaxer propaganda shooting themselves in the foot?

So you think that people SHOULD be allowed to put the life of others people at risk?

It's unbelievable that this is what we've come to.

 

You get on the road and get distracted by something beyond your control and accidents happen. You are not perfect. I am not perfect.
It comes down to an undefined level of acceptable risk. That is the way it has always been and that is the way it will always be.

 

Dictating what people must do? Yeah, hard to believe.

 

Lame lame lame excuse. There is a reason why they refer to accidents as "acts of God". Nothing to do with putting the life of others at risk. Which, you just said, should be allowed.

Sad!

 

So you are not willing to admit the obvious which is that you are putting people's lives at risk when you get behind the wheel?...or when having a peanut butter sandwich?

 

But you used the word "never", which is an absolute. If you don't means it absolutely, don't use a word that means without exception. You can't have it both ways. .

 

Yeah... if you eat a peanut butter sandwich while you are driving, you are most definitely putting other people's lives at risk! But the poster is talking about "accidents". It's beyond idiotic to claim that people "accidently" didn't get their vaccine.

 

I did not see him say anything about someone accidentally not getting a vaccine, but life is a series of calculated risks, and driving is clearly among them. Being that life is a series of calculated risks, we constantly put our own and other peoples lives at risk by the choices we all make.

 

He clearly equates driving accidents with not getting the vaccine. You didn't see that? You are more than welcome to jump into the debate. But it is advisable to first understand what the debate is about.

 

There are a number of reasons for not getting the vaccine. At this time, the primary one seems to be that they do not trust the government. One can hardly blame them.

People at risk also have a responsibility. They can purposely avoid other people and especially crowds. Just like the person driving can use defensive driving and assume the other driver is going to do something risky.

 

I can think of some. One is age, the other are allergies, or somebody might just be pathologically afraid of needles... but the most prevalent is ignorance. The latter is the one that anti-vaxers promote.

 

I am not sure why you are trying so hard to get me to argue against YOUR strawman directed to what he said. At any rate.....my exact same position does not require him or anything he said, it only requires your words...

So you are not willing to admit the obvious which is that you are putting people's lives at risk when you get behind the wheel?...or when having a peanut butter sandwich on a park bench?

In your world, should people be allowed to drive or eat peanut butter sandwiches on a park bench?

 

Well... you jumped into his discussion trying to rebut the arguments I made against what he specifically said..

The assumption is that if you jump into the middle of a discussion it's because you understand what is being discussed. If that was not your intention, then start with the OP.

 

So you are not willing to admit the obvious which is that you are putting people's lives at risk when you get behind the wheel?...or when having a peanut butter sandwich on a park bench? How about ordering seafood in a restaurant? What about the potential energy that exists from walking upright?

In your world, should people be allowed to drive? Can they eat peanut butter sandwiches on a park bench? Can they order seafood?...or do all of these activities need to be banned in Golem's world?

 

Interesting. So left wingers are far more likely to consume whatever the government tells them to, while right wingers decide for themselves. That is far from the claims that supporters of our previous president were mindless loyalists that would do anything he said.

 

You are big on saying no risk whatsoever. Neither you nor anyone else can absolutely guarantee that there are no long term consequences from this vaccine decades down the road. It is not beyond possible, that the long term effects make the actual pandemic look like a walk in the park.

I selfishly hoped that there would be no such long term effects and went ahead and got the shot.

 

I'm in your same boat. I took the shot. But I am NOT willing to risk the life of my child until the vaccine is more proven. Children are more often asymptomatic and spread the disease less, and the mortality rate at his age is near zero. But there are specific health risks to young males that concern me, unless a doctor can definitively tell me that my child is NOT at ANY risk from the vaccine, which requires testing and more data than we have right now.

I simply will not risk his life. Period. And anyone can screw themselves for suggesting otherwise.

 

Are you still not paying attention? When you drive, you are not CHOOSING to put others at risk. When you don't take the shot, you are CHOOSING to put others at risk.

God! Antivaxers are quickly running out of arguments.... Assuming they ever had any.... Which we can't assume because there are no possible arguments to putting the life of others in jeopardy because of your recklessness.

Your argument is so absurd, it's kinda embarrassing to respond to it, because it's as if we were taking it seriously. Which I'm not.

 

When you drive you are also choosing to put others at risk. To claim otherwise is positively absurd. The driver is putting their selfish need to get from point A to point B ahead of the potential harm to others that results from them driving.

To read your response, one would get the impression that I have put forward some crazy long winded argument that is nonsenical...but nope....my argument is basically only that driving is putting others at risk which is an undeniably true statement. Nothing all that controversial in such a position, yet you are STILL pushing this nonsense that it is "so absurd, it's kinda embarrassing to respond to it"...lol.....such a characterization is nothing short of an out and out lie and you know this full well. You are as intellectually dishonest as the day is long. Apparently you are operating under the theory of pretending like people can only see your most recent post and hope they use your characterization while ignoring what has actually been said.

People with a strong argument do not resort to this tactic. This is instead the domain of those with a losing argument.

 

Left wingers consume what science tells them, while right wingers consume what Tucker Carlson tells them.

Not their fault. Science is beyond them. And this is what Tucker Carlson takes advantage of.

 

As I have said sooo many times, right wingers can't comprehend the world unless it's presented to them in a binary form: black or white, up or down, "always" or "never", This is the reason why they are so easily fooled by creeps like Tucker Carlson or Alex Jones or... any of those: because they immerse them in a fantasy world in which everything is binary.

Impossible to take you seriously...

 

So this is the old "yeah I made a really stupid and unsupportable claim, but I made it because you are so stupid" defense?

LOL....The only person here that is hard to take seriously would be you.

 

I assume you are aware that this nonsense only works with right-wing extremist anti-vaxers, right? No rational person would look at it and not laugh.

 

So only right wing extremist anti vaxxers agree that driving is a calculated risk that puts peoples lives at risk? Interesting theory, but I am vaccinated and clearly very pro vaccination, in addition to holding several views that are quite left of center which doesnt exactly make me a right wing extremist. So that sort of shoots yet another one of your silly theories in the a*s.

You sure do grasp at straws a lot.