The Resurrection of Jesus - did it really happen?

We don't have to convince you of anything. Theists came up with idea of a God, not us. The burden of proof lies on you to convince us, not the other way around. And let me tell you, the arguments theists use are not convincing.

 

Further more... the books of the New Testament were BEGUN being written 30 years after the death of Yahoshua... and nobody who ever wrote a tittle or jot EVER had audience with "Jesus".

There were all sort of legends at that time... you would not believe the things they believed in... the notion that Yahoshua never existed is not in the LEAST bit a ridiculous notion. They believed in dragons and (*)(*)(*)(*) too. The ridiculous things they believed in but never saw is too long for a single post.

 

Meaningless expression. It has never been established that something we could call a soul exists in the first place. Who we are is determined by our bodies, i.e. by our brains and everything else hooked to them.

 

Jesus was part of a popular religious movement or Zeitgeist of those times to personify the Sun and its apparent trek through the Zodiac, with its miraculous birth, ascension, death, resurrection and ascension again as seen over the course of the four seasons made into the life story of some miracle worker who is Light and Truth and Love, and all those wonderful things. Jesus, Attis, Mithras, etc. were all different incarnations of this same astrologically inspired myth-making.

 

Ok so why is it the apostles would hang everything on a ressurection if there was in fact no ressurection? If you aren't sure that I'm a genius, you don't say "Septimine is a genius or don't believe another word I say". You don't repeat it certainly. If the disciples were not 100% sure, it would more than likely look like either Buddha or Muhammad -- follow what he said, believe in his teaching, and don't be a jerk. Instead, Christianity places more emphasis on death burial and ressurection, which are exactly the weakest points if they weren't 100% sure.

 

Because it was prophesized. All prophecy events have undue emphasis because it was at the heart of the split. Jews could not accept that Yehoshua was the messiah UNLESS prophecy was fulfilled. It is ALL about fulfillment... and revision of the laws of Moses. To make the claim that the messiah has come and everything is different... and rituals no longer matter... and everything in the Old Testament is null and void... the messionic prophecy HAD to be fulfilled.

I wish people would read their own "evidence". I really do.

 

Who cares? That's how it's translated in Bible verses.

 

Who cares?

I would think anyone who invokes power in the name of their lord... I would think it would be nice to actually (*)(*)(*)(*)ing know it. Why WOULDN'T you want to know the name of your lord?

Why else is it relevant? Tittles and jots my friend. Originaly the Christos moniker was used to discern the difference between Yahosua Bin Nun... (book of Joshua). This demonstrates FUNDAMENTAL changes, to the point of the very NAME of the Lord by the council of Nicea... and if you don't get THAT... we are done here.

 

You sound like one of the folks who translate the Bible everytime you read it. I take it as it's written. There's about a half dozen Jesus characters in the Bible. Most of them are depicted as wise men, except for Bar-Jesus.

 

You mean you take it as it is rewritten, by people you do not research, with motives completely foreign to you.

You take the cannonisation of a Roman emperor who sought to control conquored people. You have not researched that which is the ACTUAL word attributed to God. You have not looked at the dead sea scrolls. You have not read the Gnostic texts rejected by the Roman emperor. I see. Like I said. We are truly done here.

You have a remarkably ironic nic.

 

For goodness sake! It's just a ethnocentric Jewish religious fairy tale written by Jews for Jews. Most of them only believe a small part of it. Believing in a Jewish zombie who is going to toss you into a lake of fire for not believing in him is insane.

Mark 16:16 (NKJV) = He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.

 

If the new testiment was written by Jews it would have been in Hebrew. I don't really understand what your deal is.

 

Jews lived from Spain to India and from Ethiopia to the Black Sea. They spoke and wrote a multitude of languages. Have you forgotten about the Jews in Greece? Read Paul's books.

 

I'm very good in natural sciences and - yes, he is risen!

http://youtu.be/jm0Vamj6EYA

 

The whole universe probably is not existing. So what? No serios historian today doubts about that Jesus Christ is a reality of history. His non-existance was for some time only a working hypothese to find out what we can find out.

http://youtu.be/P6u0Z4kny6s

 

Not always - sometimes some of the fanatics who are believing in right and wrong survive:

[video=youtube_share;aXMQrw0BKfI]http://youtu.be/aXMQrw0BKfI[/video]

http://youtu.be/_s2xMw4cjw8

 

All the more reason to use the ONE language they all knew. The importance of the word of God in the language they believed God imbued in Adam, also being their numerical system was of profound importance. God's name was Jewish. God's commandments were in Hebrew. God's son was Jewish. Thousands of years of ritual and life were read from and performed in Hebrew.

What you are saying makes 0 sense.


Don't get me started on Paul.

 

If Jesus didn't get up and walk, why did the Church spread? Since dead men don't get up and walk, he obviously wasn't dead. Next question?

 

Why do you think they were referred to as the "lost sheep"? They didn't know that they were Jews. They had assimilated into the various cultures in which they lived. What do you think the tower of Babel and the Day of Pentecost in Acts chapter 2 are about?

 

If who we are is determined solely by our bodies, then how do you defend equality among humans as a moral principle? you can't. The joke's on you. LOL

Your theory of evolutionism indoctrinated people that they are animals, and when they act like animals, the secular humanists are the ones who are shocked. If humans are animals, there's no right or wrong, and no meaning to life. Many evolutionists have made that statement, that there is no foundation for ethics and there is no real meaning to life.
Yet, there is not one secular evolutionist in the entire world who is not outraged if he's wronged, and who doesn't try to make his life meaningful.

your definition of "science" is what the secularist anti-religious establishment has defined it for the past 100 years or so.
Science means knowledge. It doesn't mean no God and no spiritual side of reality.

 

His faithful got up and walked?

 

It there werent any real gold books, why do we have mormons all over the place?

If the "prophet" mohammed was a big fake, why are there so many moslems?

If "jesus" actually "got up and walked", why didnt he go back to pilate and ask if he'd like to try it again, then go back to a-prachin'? He'd of really got som converts then!


Sometime During Eternity ...
By Lawrence Ferlinghetti
Sometime during eternity
some guys show up
and one of them
who shows up real late
is a kind of carpenter
from some square-type place
like Galilee
and he starts wailing
and claiming he is hip
to who made heaven
and earth
and that the cat
who really laid it on us
is his Dad

And moreover
he adds
It’s all writ down
on some scroll-type parchments
which some henchmen
leave lying around the Dead Sea somewheres
a long time ago
and which you won’t even find
for a coupla thousand years or so
or at least for
nineteen hundred and fortyseven
of them
to be exact
and even then
nobody really believes them
or me
for that matter
You’re hot
they tell him
And they cool him

They stretch him on the Tree to cool

And everybody after that
is always making models
of this Tree
with Him hung up
and always crooning His name
and calling Him to come down
and sit in
on their combo
as if he is the king cat
who’s got to blow
or they can’t quite make it

Only he don’t come down
from His Tree
Him just hang there
on His Tree
looking real Petered out
and real cool
and also
according to a roundup
of late world news
from the usual unreliable sources
real dead

 

To quote comedian Stephen Colbert: "I'll admit, it makes me uncomfortable that my doctrine came from somewhere as unseemly as the Middle East. To their credit, Mormnism's founders did something no self proclaimed prophets throughout history have never thought of. They made it American."

I would say mostly by military conquests. From its origins, Islam wasn't under pressure and persecution by the state. Christianity was, yet it still thrived.

Too much proof, and you leave no room for faith.

 

i don’t know im guessing no one on the internet actually dose

 

because people liked the story and wanted to believe in it happened a long time ago people still convert today who never watched Jesus walking around after getting nailed why would it be any different back then?