Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by longknife, Nov 20, 2014.
Looks more like it encouraged a lot of confusion and arguing.....
Actually, I BELIEVE that the arguing segment comes from those that are opposed to the 'Bible'.
Well, you BELIEVE wrong....bible scholars/belivers argue.
Where did they learn their scholarly manner? Of course... in schools or seminaries where the almighty dollar buys their way into the arena.
Yep, think of the universe and then think about how God only cares about a few tiny people on a very microscopic piece of land on a very infinitesimally small planet somewhere in the universe. Sounds legit.
Why not? It is equally legit as scientists speculating that there might be other life forms somewhere out there. Same amount of proof is available.
Thank you for confirming what I and others suspected in you. You are not interested in debating but playing futile games. I will keep this in mind in the future when addressing your posts.
I just stated that science can't tell us why adults believe in mythological gods.
I know you are convinced that if you just keep saying it over and over again it will somehow become true... but it won't
I believe I was referring to the writers of the bible not the scientific method. And yes the information you propagate is ironic to say the least.
Many people simply cannot deal with a concept such as DEATH.
Death is simply a part of life and none of us remember or have any bad feelings towards what it was like before we were born from a personal perspective.
Thus DEATH or the concept of it scares a lot of people...well almost to DEATH! LOL!!!
Now....really think about this.....is there any member here who is going to say...."Yeah....it would just SUCK if there was this magnificent afterlife where there was this loving GOD that if you die and were admitted into this enteral realm of peace and happiness called HEAVEN....would give you that literal MANSION IN THE SKY?
I think not.
But I am a REALIST.
And I am an AGNOSTIC.
AS a strict follower of the Scientific Method there is no completely 100% definitive proof that a GOD either exists or does not exist.
Hey...I would just LOVE it if a LOVING GOD existed....but NOT like the one advertised in the Old Testament, Torah and Koran....THAT GOD....I could do without thank you very much!!!
But as a follower of the Scientific Method as any AGNOSTIC worth their salt would be....and as a person who has seen DEATH not only upon a grand scale but as well UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL....eye to eye....I can tell you this........
.....DYING IS EASY!! LIVING IS HARD!!!!
I have vast knowledge about Particle Physics, Cosmology, Astronomy and as well when I have time....and I have not done this in over 2 years....I help develop MODELS specific to the Many Worlds and Multiversal Theories as Multiversal Theory is a much more complex and comprehensive version of Many Worlds Theory.
I have had the PRIVILEGE of working with and talking to and debating existence with some of the Finest Minds Existing as a world renown Massachusetts based Higher Learning Institute.
Now I kind of stick out like a sore thumb and as I seldom watch TV except to watch Sports I have recently been educated to who exactly the TV personality of SHELDON COOPER is and what he represents.
I would have to say 90% of these FINE MINDS are very like Sheldon and the other 9% are more ENGINEER slated and then there is ME.
I am the ONLY one out of all of them that has both Left AND Right Brain Hemisphere capability always firing as they tend to be strictly analytic and logic based...but that is kind of why they like me helping out as I have a tendency to see things that are OBVIOUS that because of their Left Brain Hemisphere Dominance sometimes they miss such things.
And one of these things was specific to whether or not in Multiversal Theory that a GOD...nothing like the Biblical, Torah or Koran GOD....could exist.
The REASON why this was being debated is because in Multiversal Theory....unlike Many Worlds....there not only exists Infinite Divergent Universal States of Reality.....which means there are infinite numbers of you and I and all of us existing in different Divergent Universal States as in one of these Divergent States...you or I got a Hot Chocolate this morning rather than a Coffee.....or turned left rather than turned right....etc.......BUT......
What I have just described is MANY WORLDS THEORY....but in Multiversal Theory.....all these Infinite in number Divergent Universal States of Reality are but just of ONE UNIVERSAL BASELINE GROUP.
In Multiversal Theory as compared to Many Worlds there are as well INFINITE UNIVERSAL BASELINE GROUPS.....which means each Universal Baseline Group is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT in it's Natural Laws, Space-Time Geometry or perhaps such a group does not have Space-Time OR GEOMETRY!!!
Multiversal Theory details out that there are as well Infinite in number Universal Baseline Groups and each group is completely different in so many infinite ways to every other Universal Baseline Group that Human Intelligence and Imagination is not capable of even COPING with trying to understand how different such Groupings could be.
Now my very Left Brain Hemisphere Friends who are VERY GOOD....much better than I am...of detailing out the Math....stumbled when it came to the question of whether One Universal Baseline Group could have BLEED OVER into another.
We already have suspicions and calculations that detail that within ONE UNIVERSAL BASELINE GROUP that all those Infinite in Number Divergent Universal States of Reality could have BLEED OVER and this would explain aspects of QUANTUM MECHANICS as well as explain DARK ENERGY AND DARLK MATTER and even explain PSYCHICS, REMOTE VIEWERS and even GHOSTS!!!
BUT....we don't have any MATH or calculations or evidence to support UNIVERSAL BASELINE GROUPING BLEED OVER.....and just to try to explain this in the simlest way possible I will offer this.....
Since each Universal Baseline Group exists with Infinite Divergent Universal States of Reality but such Realities are as different from our Reality to the point that not only is there NOTHING in common but as well WE AS NOT EVOLVED TO THE NECESSARY LEVEL OF UNDERSTANDING HUMANS.....would not even be able to understand what we...if it was possible...what we could detect, calculate, see....etc.
It would be like a person who has been BLIND all their life trying to understand another person describing to them the difference between the colors Red and Green!!!!
So....I offered up this thought to my Left Brain Dependent Friends....and I said...."What if it is possible that the UNIVERSAL BASELINE GROUP BLEEDOVER might exist but because we have no idea or reference or even WAY to detect it...understand it...reference it...or even know we were looking right at it if it was in front of us....that it might indeed exist but at this point there is no way for us to know?"
Now....IMMEDITELY....one of my very smart friends asked..."Are you talking about a GOD?"
I said...."Well....I wasn't even thinking about that but we cannot discout it as a possibility although WE CAN DISCOUNT IT EXISTING AS A POSSIBILITY AS ANY GOD HAS BEEN ADVERTISED IN ANY EXISTING ANCIENT RELIGIOUS TEXT SUCH AS THE BIBLE, TORAH, KORAN, HINDU BIBLE.....BUT......it Theoretically MIGHT......MIGHT exist as we all are staunch followers of the Scientific Method and thus we cannot discount it!":
So this got us all to thinking and we all came up with THIS as a possibility......
It is POSSIBLE.....that all existing Matter, Energy and anything else we might not understand completely even if we KNOW it is there such as Dark Matter and Dark Energy.....MIGHT.....simply be THE PARTS OR COMPONENTS OF AN OVERALL MASSIVE CONSCIOUSNESS!!
For those of you who have followed me this far please try to understand....there is NOTHING AT ALL DIFFERENT....between the Quantum Particle Wave Forms of Energy that comprise ALL MATTER AND ALL ENERGY.....in a LIVING THING AND A NON-LIVING THING!!!
Thus...it is all about ARRANGMENT....and COMPLEXITY!!!
I will spare some of you the Quantum Mechanics talk at this point and SKIP from what and how many Quarks make up a Proton or Neutron and if they are UP or DOWN...etc...and I will go right to the ATOMIC AND MOLECULAR SCALE.
The Atoms that make up say...WATER....H20.....2 Hydrogen Atoms Chemical Bonded to One Oxygen Atom...sharing an ELECTRON ORBITAL FIELD.....and I will also spare you how many Electrons in which orbit means an Orbit is Full or Not.......anyways.....
.....Depending upon the Complexity of Molecular Constructs we know the most complex Molecular Constructs give us VIRUSES AND LIFE.
BOTH have DNA.....but a Virus is NOT ALIVE.....BUT....a Virus needs a LIVING CELL in order to replicate....and when this happens inevitably Viral DNA is encoded into any Virally Infected Living Organisms Genome.
This of course aids in EVOLUTION.
But it is in the COMPLEXITY OR ARRANGMENT THAT A VIRUS OR AS WELL LIFE FORM is developed via Quantum Evolution and exists.
NOW IMAGINE THIS ON A MACRO LEVEL SCALE!!!
THEN IMAGINE THIS UPON A UNIVERSAL SCALE!!
THEN IMAGINE THIS UPON A MANY WORLDS THEORY SCALE!!!
THEN IMAGINE THIS UPON A MULTIVERSAL SCALE as all Baseline Universal Groupings and within them each and every of their Infinite in Number Divergent Universal States of Reality being a PART OF AN INFINITELY MASSIVE OR WHATEVER OTHER WORD WE DON'T CURRENTY HAVE TO DEFINE THE UNDEFINABLE...SCALE!!!!
Not some singular entity.
Not some GUY with a beard living in the sky who shows arbitrary intent and sometimes MURDEROUS WRATH!!
GOD....as a GOD that I and perhas some of you might actually want or be PROUD to say they understand.
That being.....EVERYTHING...we know...and don't know....and even what we never even will ever know....but all part of a everything...everyone....every Universe and every Group.
I don't know if everyone can understand this and I did my best to talk about it as simply as I could....but it seems to make the most sense.
And in all of that writing you have not refuted anything that I said, much less have you proven anything that I said to be wrong.
Absolutely! Too bad it has had just the opposite effect for so many people.
To include people such as Atheists and other non-theists.
What proof do you have that earthly humans are all God cares about?
Whats the point of trying to refute jokes/games?
Obviously it is not currently possible to accept this as fact, but I believe this is the most sensible description of what God most likely is. I don't believe He is a man in the sky, He is everything.
Curious... why do you say a virus is not alive?
To show that they are wrongly engaged in perhaps.
Perhaps.. but then again that would only make sense if the other person were interested in something other than jokes/games, and you have made it clear that that would not be you.
Oh but you are mistaken. I have a wide range of interests of which jokes/games occupy only a small percentage of that range.
Thank you, Jonsa, for a great post.
Every time I think of what we believe is our universe, I remember the scene in one of The Men In Black films when they open the locker door to see a race that believes the creatures staring at them are gods.
Here's another thought - we can not see atoms with the electrons and neutrons circling them. What is that is what our solar system - or galaxy - is? One atom in an even greater substance?
Think about it.
I like that last line of thought. It (the greater substance) could be defined as the "mind of God".
And yet it's all you do...
"all" is an absolute. Are you capable of providing PROOF of that claim?
Lol evolution is JUST A THEORY!!!! There, now we are even! To a theist or even a Christian child your comment is an extremely aprofound conclusion (a as in a in atheist). It's a meaningless conclusion and comment. Well the latter is true except the inference is a good way to look good in the eyes of your equally clueless peers. The bad news is this; It means nothing. Yes there are many variations of Christianity and many more on top of that in the beliefs of individual Christians. The variations are only important to someone trying their best to belittle Christianity. Why? Because to be considered Christian one only has to follow the core message which is take Jesus Christ for your lord and savior, and repent your sins. You could discard those millions of variations and still be standing at the pearly gates when the time comes.
So you guys will have to find another way to demean Christianity that one ain't valid.
A Virus is not alive.
It does not fit the criteria of what is LIFE.
The two men that won a Nobel Prize in Virology won the Nobel in the CHEMISTRY CATEGORY.
A Virus cannot reproduce on it's own.
A Living Cell is tricked on a Chemical Level and will take a Virus into the ellular membrane as food or Oxygen.
The Virus then reprograms the Living Cells Genome and uses the cells own material to replicate more Virus until so many virus exist the cellular memberane EXPLODES and shoots Viruses all over which usually helps spred the Virus to another Living Cell.
But the fact a Virus encodes it's DNA with the Genome of any Living Cell shows us just how close Inanimate Matter is to Animate Matter.
Quantum Mechanics realities preclude this concept.
Things upon a Macro Level Scale such as Celestial Mechanics do not work anything like what occurs upon the Quantum Level.
This is the great question and riddle of Quantum Mechanics.
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