Top Biden adviser says 'America will stand shoulder to shoulder with Australia' in China spat

Oh, so then Australia really has nothing to worry about.

What other country would Australia be militarily worried about?
Why does Australia need America to "have their back"?

 

Will always have a special connection given our history.

I have also noticed a new special connection - between far North Queenslanders and 30% of the US population.

 

Have a look at the World Map. The World's largest population of Muslims is only a brisk short wet walk away, to our north.

Use of that expression "have our back" is a tad misleading. No-one is begging. We have ANZUS and a history of stumping to our end of the bargain, in Vietnam, North Korea, Afghanistan and the ME. 'You' want us at your back, (actually, you prefer us to be in your van) so it is only natural we have a return expectation. Ever since ANZUS came into being, on no occasion have we knocked at your door, yet you have come a knocking on ours many times, we opened the door and sent our Military to your Wars.

 

@ Bush Lawyer

Yes: and here is the relevant section of the edited version of my post:

Back to the OP: Australia is expected to loathe and fear 'authoritarian' China like everyone else.

And in doing so, they have offended Chinese sensibilities by joining the US in banning the first truly global world-leading technology company in China's history, namely Huawei, on grounds of 'national security' ***.

Neo-liberal fools. And now they will pay the price as China slaps tariffs on Australian products in retaliation.

[***Note: the pentagon is as evil as any other global-hegemony-seeking institution. The correct solution - when China is twice the the size of the US economy, is to strengthen the machinery of the UN....].

But China was quite content to join the WTO and trade according to the rules; indeed the WTO is where trade disagreements should be dealt with.

But the Huawei episode was a powerful awakening to global realities for China: playing by the rules means playing by the rules of neoliberal orthodoxy according to the US (ie "America First"); see the note on the pentagon above.

Easy for you to say. "We" includes people whose life-long work will be destroyed, all in the name of a neoliberal fantasy.

India .....another neoliberal nightmare, truly one of Trump's famous s***holes....a blind leading the blind, fundamentalist-torn 'democratic' chaos.

 

@ a better world

What does 'neoliberal' mean? How is India a 'neoliberal nightmare?' Sure, some would call it a schithole, as China was not so long ago. How is India 'a blind leading the blind, fundamentalist-torn democratic chaos?' What 'fundamentalism exists there? What 'chaos?' Have you ever been there?

As for a China -v- India argument. I would not be too quick to put my money on China. India has the nuke, a pretty decent military, lots of cannon fodder, and at least it is a democracy with whom we share some history.

 

There is a strong probability Biden will also take part in and even strengthen ASEAN. Trump has been MIA from the ASEAN meetings

 

Oh please, Australia has nothing militarily to worry about from Indonesia, and you know it.

Indonesia is a relatively poor country, and is too busy trying to hold itself together and deal with all of its own problems.

 

Thanks mate! I am guessing “neo-liberal” does not mean what he thinks it means - especially here in Aus lols!
I cannot stand straw man arguments - they are a lazy way of thinking

 

Yes, right now, we could hold off Indonesia for a while, but they have numbers we don't.

 

That's obviously untrue. For a start, you can just look at the varying support offered in wars and in the UN.

 

Actually we probably know waaaaaay more about the potential threat from Indonesia than you do by your replies

What? You think it is some backward Asian dictatorship? Maaaaate! Indonesia is quite the industrial powerhouse and, like India is set to become one of the worlds economic superpowers

https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/indonesia-future-threat-australia/

Like a large number of your compatriots you appear to have fallen behind in your view of Asian countries

There have been massive shifts and changes over the last few years

 

Have a look at a map - better yet read a wiki entry that is less than ten years old

 

The more of these threads I see, the more I believe your side is just being disingenuous.

It's like some sort of willful obstinance where you will convince yourselves of something that doesn't actually make total logically coherent sense, just because you want to have reason to believe something.


We all know the only country Australia possibly has to really worry about, and need help from the US for, is China.
I'm not even going to waste my time or give you the benefit of the doubt that you might actually believe otherwise.

And we all have some sense that Biden would likely be soft on China (or at the very least softer than Trump would be).


I don't believe your side truly believes something other than what I have just told you. You just don't want to see it.

Just face it, the whole premise in the starting post of this thread is a failure.

 

Got me stuffed. I quoted a Post which consisted of 'nb,' and got this? Huh?

 

Neoliberal means the present economic orthodoxy that was developed by Milton Friedman after the stagflation era of the 70's.
(nothing special about Australia in that regard: the ALP's leading economists are neoliberal toadies to a man/woman).


neoliberal

adjective

1. favouring policies that promote free-market capitalism, deregulation, and reduction in government spending.

Neoliberal defined above.

In India, the free market means farmers famously commit suicide when harvests are good, because prices collapse and farmers can't service their debts...all courtesy of the neoliberal non interventionist free-market nightmare, in the vast rural economy.
cf China which took off like a rocket, with unrivalled development never before seen in history, finally eradicating poverty this year - a remarkable achievement for 1.4 billion people.

Muslims and Hindus regularly at one-another's throats. Yes I have been there. A ride on a Bombay (Mumbai) train at peak hours is one of life's ..er... great experiences....buses, you can hop on top if there is no space inside, provided you are fit and ready to die....yet the 7th century Buddhist caves at Ellora are stunning, as are the remaining monuments built by the Moghul emperors (among them the 17th century Taj Mahal).
All contrasting with the poor relieving themselves by the thousands in public...with air in Bombay that smells like diesel exhaust., and dozens of hands that reach into your taxi cab at stop lights, begging for money

All with economic development proceeding at a snails pace, courtesy of 'blind leading the blind' adversarial, two-party, reverse-the-policies-of the-previous mob-in-power - 'democracy' ....sound familiar?

 

I think China is our only potential military worry. Just not at the moment.

And we would hardly be a prime target for a belligerent China - look at all the other countries surrounding it. I think that China would be stopped before they 'got to' Australia.

 

Yes, that reminds me of Albany, New York.

 

What laptops? OH you mean the laptops "dropped off" to a blind technician and then abandoned? The laptops loaded with incriminating evidence proving hunter is everything from a pedophile to the hidden gunman in the grassy knoll?

 

This would have offended me before we elected trump. Now I'm not so sure there isn't more than just a shred of truth.

 

This Thread went on a brief holiday. Unknown to me, the link in the OP was pay walled to some. I have given the Mods a different link to the same story, and the Thread has been re-instated by Lee S.

 

Australia is on their own. China owns the DNC and they hope Australia thinks America will back them so they get surprised when America sells them out.

 

I was going to say that China is still a cyber security threat, but then I forgot that Bush Lawyer said that Australia doesn’t have access to the Internet.

 

Come off it that story about Hunters PC is a massive con job that Trump fans fell for.

 

I'm glad biden admin has said this. I would like to see proof in the pudding. Also trump took a much harder stand on china than any president since post Nixon. Just because you dislike trump does not mean you can discredit him.