Trinity’s transgender boy wins girls state wrestling crown

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  1. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If girls want to compete with males absolutely. I like coed weight classes personally
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's what he wanted to do. The school forced him to be on the girls team
     
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    I've already agreed she should not have been competing with girls, I don't understand why you keep circling the drain with this argument. You absolutely made my opinion on slavery a topic - the end result is I don't care. Where we differ is the schools tretment of this issue, I can understand the performance enhancing drug (although it is medically necessary during transitioning) what I cannot understand is forcing him to face off against girls and then crying that he is facing off against girls. Let him compete against the males.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's classified as a disorder, it seems to be their brain isn't wired in connection with their body.
    I would call anyone that wants to mutilate themselves a little crazy.
     
  5. guavaball

    guavaball Well-Known Member

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    Your opinion means nothing. Its the rules. And you have constantly supported her competing against boys when it was impossible because you didn't read the article that explained the rules.

    Because flushing your worthless theories is important to get to a clean bowl of truth from your BS claim that hbomosexuality is on par with slavery to your fake defintion of transexual requireing drugs to be a real transsexual.

    lol you brought it up. Want to deny it? I have your quote ready.

    She can't. Why should they change the rules for one girl who doesn't have the mental capacity to know that's what she is? Why should the rules change just for her?
     
  6. Mr_Truth

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    Girls are allowed to wrestle on boys team so why shouldn't a transgender be allowed to compete as well?


    Intolerant forum right wingers need to stop being so damn prejudiced.
     
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    Well, it's based on both. There is no co-ed wrestling.

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    They are not allowed to wrestle on boys' teams in Texas, at least according to an article I read on this.
     
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    They are allowed here in Minnesota and in other states.

    Just the other day a girl and boy wrestled against each other in Pennsylvania and I watched the match online as it happened.
     
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    There's a reason boys and girls don't compete together in physical competition. The boys would completely dominate the girls (I am assuming we are talking about the high school level and higher). Yes, there would be the rare girl able to compete with boys, but they are few and far between. In general, girls (as a group) benefit from this because if there was no gender-based segregation, a ridiculously small number of females would be talented enough to make the team. 99% of them would be left on the sidelines.

    If an athlete has a medical condition whereby their treatment requires the use of a banned substance ("banned" meaning banned within the context of the sport) then they should not be allowed to compete. Sorry not sorry if anyone thinks that is unfair.

    All the crybaby liberals whining about bigotry and intolerance should just (*)(*)(*)(*).
     
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    Mr_Truth Well-Known Member

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    Funny how wolfpack says "they should not be allowed to compete" while complaining that others are bigoted and intolerant. Irony, much??
     
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    It is neither bigoted nor intolerant to say athletes taking banned performance enhancing drugs (even under a doctor's supervision) should not be allowed to compete.

    Medical conditions - and treatments for same - lead to athletes being disqualified from sports ALL THE TIME.
     
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    Did you read my response? I said they should not be able to perform in sports, as they have an advantage
     
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    Because the transgendered wrestler has a chemical advantage over all her opponents. Do you not read anything of an issue when you put forth your uninformed
    comments?

    :roll: Incredible ignorance of the issue.
     
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    You sure that wasn't a xxx rated movie?
     
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    Sorry, this has devolved past my level of tolerance.
    We will watch how the court rules - probably that he cannot use performance enhancing drugs but that he can compete against males. Which is what he wanted in the first place before the party of small government intervened. A win, if you will...

    Goodbye
     
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    I lift in the USAPL if you have a medical condition that requires steroids its too bad tough (*)(*)(*)(*).

    Even then most doping regulations require that any medical exemption for hormon treatments if they are allowed cannot exceed what is normal. In other words if a female with a medical exemption for testosterone gets tested and is found to have a mans level of testosterone they are disqualified for doping.

    Ive asked this question a few times with no answer. Why is gender dismorphia exempt from the same doping regulations that other medical conditions are subject to?

    This is kind of cut and dry. Medical condition or not her serum testosterone is above the allowed limit. Like anyone else with a medical condition she should be disqualified for doping.
     
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    That's the most ignorant thing I've read in quite some time. Girls are allowed to play football (mostly kickers) but your logic says "Babe" Ruth wants to play women's softball. Do you even think before you post? :grin:
     
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    You wont get an answer. Liberals are the most anti science folks around.
     
  19. guavaball

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    I understand. You can't debate the facts of the case so you've moved on to censorship in what you quote hoping no one will hold you accountable.

    Its not surprising of course. Once you were exposed making up a medical requirement for the transgender definition only to be laughably exposed by WebMed and the dictionary it was over. Your credibility was shot.

    And next time read the rules the school sets up for students to participate in sports instead of endlessly droning on about why she can't compete with boys when the rules are so clear she cannot because her birth certificate *gasp* has her as a girl! The horror! Why didn't they ask her what she wanted to be when she was born! I demand a new lawsuit as soon as I find the right judge to force hospitals to only accept the word of a newborn what their sex is! Science be damned!
     
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    Sigh...........much like unisex restrooms, I don't give a rat's azz about any of this. But I do suspect champions of female athletes getting a chance to compete are sickened by this bunch of PC horse dung all in the name of snowflakeology. I personally don't give a rip if some female poser wants to stand at the men's urinal and make a mess of my public restroom, but I'd rather my shoes not get urine on them from the missed aim. And if given my druthers, I'd rather not have a tampax clogging the #2 receptacle. I'm quite sure women don't want a third leg in their restrooms either, unless invited "on the lam" for a tryst in a stall. Seems common sense to me, but that kind of thinking went out years ago. Now it's the land of the butthurt, and now we're offended. I'd like to take a moment and just go Linda Blair on all those people. Your mother..................... (and we know the rest of that story........Paul Harvey).
     
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    Do you think before you post?

    Girls do compete with boys so why not have transgenders compete with girls as well? Why are you so prejudiced??

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    hahahaha



    Go to youtube where you will find plenty of videos to prove it. This should dispel the many prejudices of the forum right wingers.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Gene therapy and hormone replacement therapy is a valid medical treatment approved and authorized by the medical community, I posted links, I'm sorry you cannot read

    Ones birth certificate is irrelevant in the broader issue once one is in the process of or has completed transitioning, so no he isn't a *gasp* girl anymore than you are *gasp* an adult, even though statistically you are 50+. The courts are ruling this is a civil rights issue already - I'm confident the final rulings will be in favor of individuals like this.

    You will get your lawsuits, they won't be to your liking

    Science agrees with everything I have said, again, sorry you refuse to read or understand.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are confusing cross dressers with people who have undergone hormone therapy and reassignment surgery. The individuals with a "third leg" as you put it, would still be in the men's room and probably wouldn't be out of place. The mtf's no longer have a "third leg" and typically look very feminine - usually more so than many women I have seen.
     
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    It shouldn't be exempt, he is transitioning to male with testosterone, at levels that would be found typically in males at that age. He wanted to compete with the males meaning he would not have been above the levels found in his competition.

    He attempted to join the male team, the school said no because, well, it's Texas and forced him to compete against the females, he attempted to petition the school which was again denied. So basically his option was to stop transitioning (even though his benefit would have been eliminated had he been allowed to compete on the boys team) or not play. He chose the third option - we'll see how it plays out.
     
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    Once again, nothing but air. Do you NOT know about Rene Richards? A male who had surgery to become a woman. "It" played a little professional tennis on the women's circuit.

    After moving to California, Richards played in regional competitions for her local club, the John Wayne Tennis Club, under the name Renée Clark.[3][6] In the summer of 1976 she entered the La Jolla Tennis Tournament Championships, where she crushed the competition and her unique and lethal left hand serve was recognized.[3] Her long-time friend Gene Scott then invited her to play in his professional tennis tournament, the Tennis Week Open in South Orange, New Jersey. The USTA and the WTA then withdrew their sanction for the Tennis Week Open, and organized another tournament; 25 of the 32 participants withdrew from the Tennis Week Open.[3][4][6] This was just the beginning of the issues Richards would encounter in trying to play professional women's tennis, which eventually led to her suing the USTA and winning. Richards played professionally from 1977 to 1981 when she retired at age 47.[3][4][15] She was ranked as high as 20th overall (in February 1979), and her highest ranking at the end of a year was 22nd (in 1977). Her first professional event as a female was the 1977 US Open. Her greatest successes on court were reaching the doubles final at her first U.S. Open in 1977, with Betty Ann Grubb Stuart—the pair lost a close match to Martina Navratilova and Betty Stöve—and winning the 35-and-over women's singles. Richards was twice a semifinalist in mixed doubles (with Ilie Năstase) at the U.S. Open. In 1979, she defeated Nancy Richey for the 35 and over singles title at the U.S. Open. Richards posted wins over Hana Mandlíková, Sylvia Hanika, Virginia Ruzici, and Pam Shriver. She later coached Navratilova to two Wimbledon wins and was inducted into the USTA Eastern Tennis Hall of Fame in 2000.[18] On August 2, 2013, Richards was among the first class of inductees into the National Gay and Lesbian Sports Hall of Fame.[19]

    Richards has since expressed ambivalence about her legacy, and came to believe her past as a man provided her with advantages over her competitors, saying “Having lived for the past 30 years, I know if I’d had surgery at the age of 22, and then at 24 went on the tour, no genetic woman in the world would have been able to come close to me. And so I’ve reconsidered my opinion.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renée_Richards
     

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