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The wall stops criminal aliens that have been deported from returning. Catching more crossing the border will simply cost us more for detention, health care, meals and legal fees. Catching them crossing isn't the point, stopping them before they cross is, due to the cost.

 

Your words are as follows [emphasis added].
Building a wall to protect oneself and one's family from physical harm is different from building a wall along a national border to close the flow of trade

 

Government regulation and interference I will argue has caused that extreme gap. You know....those at the high levels of government have a keen interest in importing low wage earners. There is a "trickle up" effect that has been diluting the middle class for years. Precisely why they don't want a wall.

 

And I stand by my post. It's true. Building a wall around your house to protect yourself & your family is a far cry from building a national wall to stop the flow of people, goods, services, and intellectual or social exchanges between national neighbors. The first is a local matter and involves only a handful of people close to the home owner. The second divides nations, national peoples, ethnicities, and everything else involved with the relationship between two nations. That's a BIG difference.

 

For the 2nd time the planned wall is for stopping illegals. It is not intended to stop the flow of [legal] people, goods, services, and intellectual or social exchanges. You just keep repeating a bogus point.

 

The first thing wrong with you logic is that if there was an ongoing "trickle up" from the lower classes into the middle class, then the middle class would be growing. But it isn't. The middle class is disappearing, and the only class that's growing is the lower one. Even the wealthiest class is shrinking slowly--meaning more and more wealth is flowing into the hands of a smaller and smaller number of ultra-rich families, making all the rest of us poorer as a result. If you like that system, have at it. An increasing number of Americans are turning away as they become aware of the incredible inequities inherent with it. Socialism includes capitalism as part of its core, but softens the outcome thru laws that force sharing profits over a wider range of recipients--including middle managers & workers in a business. That's far better than now, where only the owners &/or CEOs benefit, and workers work for decades stuck at the same level of real income. Democratic Socialism retains your personal rights, but opens new ways for you to benefit from the labor you do--regardless of where you work. I think Democratic Socialism would be highly advantageous for the U.S. I support giving it a try.

 

Walls don't just stop ONE THING. Walls stop EVERYTHING. I keep repeating that fact because you keep ignoring it.

 

You misunderstood the intention of" trickle up" that I used. It was "trickle up poverty". Trades that used to be sources of income for middle class citizens have been greatly influenced by cheap, illegal labor to the point they can no longer support a middle class. Establishment always want to increase the labor force to drive labor costs down. That they have done. Democratic Socialism is something you want to try??? Then when it fails, we go for pure Socialism? You eliminate incentive for small business starts that is for sure. Do you think attaching the word "Democratic " to Socialism makes it any more palatable? Did you know the Founders never implied our Nation was to be a Democracy anyway? The knew how Democracy had failed in History. That is why they set us up as a Republic. Sure we elect leaders to represent us. But we are a Republic. You will have to change our Constitution to have it your way, and some are even suggesting that. Could be a real fight on your hands!

 

No they don't. There will always be authorized entry points for legal activity.

 

There are countries in Western Europe that stand as examples of Democratic Socialism succeeding quite well. I find your post overly pessimistic.

 

You may be younger than me, but I remember a time when private insurance companies refused to cover medical treatment for a long list of ailments. They took my money but didn't cover my needs. I'd rather have a system that takes my money and uses it for medical treatment rather than using it to enrich the already wealthy owners & shareholders.

 

The same is true for an electronic or technological border.

 

LOL.. Yes you must know a password

But Marriot corporation lost 500 million folks passport numbers.. The Chinese government hacked them.. I guess it is multiple countries.. or perhapos the 500 million number is higher than the actual..

It was some ungodly high number with a 5 on it..

They said the chinese can learn a lot about the person with the number.. What the hell is up with that??

I went to to a third world country.. I said here is my passport.. The border agent says Americans get in for 300$ cash.. no questions asked... He said it cost a million dollars to get out..

I caught the next flight to Malta

also btw.. nephew studied and was hot to trot and hunt cyber russians.. guess what didn't get funded by the stable genius.. big labs were tasked to make sure Vladdy Daddy couldn;t turn out the lights... the entire community had to chomp on how to make the cyber infrastructure secure..... boring....
I heard he is going to SF Bay.. I am concerned about the financial stress.. Genious IT kid.. never smoked pot (to my knowledge... really)

 

I recall, prior to Obamacare, having a list of different plans with different cost that my insurance company offered me...depending on my needs, and how much I could afford I could make the choice. If I made the choice to have an inexpensive plan, it migth not cover everything....but that's a chance you took

 

There is not a country over there I want to imitate. We are an example of freedom here. I would not even think of sending my son to one of those countries to try and start a small business there. The burdens are unimaginable. But if you are of a collective mentality....that might just suit you fine. What country will you be moving too?

 

America is the home of the Sluts now

Is stormy as hell.. domy origato mr disrupto

 

In regard to economic freedom, the Heritage Foundation determined that the U.S. is ranked #18 and falls behind the European countries of Switzerland, Austria, Ireland, Estonia, the UK, Iceland, Denmark, Luxembourg, Sweden, and the Netherlands.
https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

In regard to overall human freedom, the Cato Institute determined that the U.S. is ranked #17 and falls behind the European countries of Switzerland, the Netherlands, Denmark, Ireland, the UK, Finland, Norway, Germany, Estonia, Luxembourg, and Austria.
https://object.cato.org/sites/cato....ex-files/human-freedom-index-2018-revised.pdf (page 10)

In regard to democratic freedom, the Economist Intelligence Unit determined that the U.S. is ranked #25 and falls behind the European countries of Norway, Iceland, Sweden, Denmark, Ireland, Finland, Switzerland, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Germany, the UK, Austria, Spain, and Estonia.
https://www.eiu.com/topic/democracy-index

With that information in mind, by what metric would you determine that the United States is "an example of freedom" compared to European nations?

 

blah blah blah......

 

And you were so impressed by that system you wanna return to it? I prefer finding ways to improve on it.

 

Europeans are more in tune with the idea that money isn't the only thing in life having value.

 

Some Europeans will be embracing Sharia Law to please their newly acquired immigrants.Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness is what Americans are concerned about. Part of that is the right to own and maintain property. If government is going to redistribute income....that infringes on those rights. So sure, Europeans march to a different drummer. They always have. That is why this Continent was settled. Oh, by the way, have the riots settled down in France yet?? I know they were a little upset over excessive tax by the "green progressives".

 

I would return to that system in a heartbeat! It always worked for me! Remove a lot of Federal regulation. Allow companies to trade across state lines. Just like Reagan always said....government isn't the solution to the problem, it IS the problem. My problem is you just want more of it!

 

Do you need some help to relocate?

 

so my superior intellect does not interest you??

Nancy Will Never fly the unfriendly skies.. Trump will declare martial law first

 

I am hoping Donald will settle out of court my liberal disorder brain infection that he caused

Were are we?? I hate to be accused of derailing a thread