Trump Accuses Democrats Of 'Executing Babies After Birth

They aren't even concerned about the country's MATERNAL death rate....they just want to sentence women for the Big Crime of getting pregnant......FORCING them to risk their lives and health as NO other group is forced to do...not even murderers!

 

I agree with you that life is sacred. But the life of a nonviable fetus doesn't equal the value of the life of the mother that carries it, especially in the first trimester. If you believe life is sacred, then try applying that to ALL LIFE, not just the fetus. The life of the mother must be considered equally. If the mother was raped or sodomized & became pregnant, she has already been unconscionably victimized. To force her to carry her pregnancy to term & give birth to the offspring of the man who victimized her is simply to victimize her a second time. In such cases, the mother is an innocent victim, & deserves our compassion & help--not further abuse. I agree that the fetus is valuable, but it's not the ONLY thing of value here. During the first trimester of a pregnancy, the mother's rights should ALWAYS prevail over the rights of the non-viable fetus. After the first trimester, the rights of the fetus deserve more say, and in the third trimester, the only reason for abortion should be if the life of the mother is threatened or the fetus is already dead in the womb. This is fair to everyone, and recognizes & responds to everyone's human rights. Caring all for fetal rights at the expense of everyone else is wrong, and non-functional. It causes more problems than it solves & will eventually lead to such outrageous incarcerations that the public will demand its demise. Why subject all the people to all the pain?

 

Does that mean we should ASSUME it's happening, and attack others for it as if it were true? And all that without proof? Really?

 

Trump Accuses Democrats Of 'Executing Babies After Birth

Donald Trump accuses many people of many things and denies many accusations directed his way even if he did it on TV. Little of what he says or does is credible anymore.

 

I'm just saying, if it's legal, and no one is collecting data or investigating it, we should assume it is going on, to some extent or another.

Even in states where it technically is not legally, a lot of the authorities in these states have no desire to investigate these things. The law is mostly left there for show, so no one makes a big hubbub about it being changed.

 

Aborting a fetus that is viable is murder under the law, so I highly doubt it is going on anywhere. The risk of getting caught would be a preventative. I really don't see this as a real problem.

 

Gosnell was reported multiple times for ethics violations and there was no follow up. Late term abortions are medically fraught. They carry a much much much higher risk to the mother than early abortions (which comes back to the question you will not answer. WHY would women voluntarily choose late term abortions?). There WERE mechanisms in Philadelphia to check on abortion clinics as well as mechanisms to follow up medical complaints, these were not done which is why I say Gosnell operated outside of the law. Be prepared there will be MORE Gosnells setting up operation in Alabama and it will be done hand in hand with organised crime. Same as happened in Victoria. One you get organised crime involved then you will se mutilatec women

 

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/u...ve-leaves-them-to-die?utm_content=buffer13653

Justify this!!!!!

 

What are you even talking about? pregnancy very rarely threatens the life of the mother, so your comments make no sense!

 

Uh, LIEsitenews is an anti-abortion site...hardly credible...

 

Yes, it's rare … so if it's only a few women it doesn't matter?

If it's you or your wife or your daughter then it's OK because it's rare???

 

Ostrich syndrome strikes again.

 

What an idiotic stance. So we should base the rule on the miniscule exception? Isn’t that what you are essentially saying? (Yes it is). So, using your logic, cars should definitely be outlawed because lots of people die when they use them.

 

No, years of seeing biased and false crap on Anti-Choicer's "go-to" for misinformation...

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Yes, it's rare … so if it's only a few women it doesn't matter?

If it's you or your wife or your daughter then it's OK because it's rare???

You think it's an "idiotic stance' to want women to live??? To have their lives protected?


What 'rule " are you talking about?

 

I don't think you read my post.

 

Sooooo that was posted as a response to another poster.

 

They simply aren’t, you are completely misunderstanding the motivation behind this bill.

 

Nope,simple truth.

 

Nope it is logical to think they will. Why were these laws passed? Perhaps you should explain that then Go from there.

 

That does seem to be the dream, moronic as it is.

 

Oh please, pregnant women have options that murderers don't. You know, maybe don't kill...

The consequences that a pregnant woman faces either way are not as bad those a regular murderer would face. How silly of you to try to draw an analogy!
Her risks aren't that high if she goes the pregnancy route. (Although I know some women would rather die than suffer a few stretch marks)

 

Irrelevant.

I didn't, you did.

Right on cue an Anti-Choicer denigrates mothers by rolling the following into two words, "stretch marks"....that's how little they think of what mothers went through.





Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:

• exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
• altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
• nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
• heartburn and indigestion
• constipation
• weight gain
• dizziness and light-headedness
• bloating, swelling, fluid retention
• hemmorhoids
• abdominal cramps
• yeast infections
• congested, bloody nose
• acne and mild skin disorders
• skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
• mild to severe backache and strain
• increased headaches
• difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
• increased urination and incontinence
• bleeding gums
• pica
• breast pain and discharge
• swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint paininfection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
  (pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
• extreme pain on delivery
• hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
• continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)

Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:

• stretch marks (worse in younger women)
• loose skin
• permanent weight gain or redistribution
• abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
• pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life -- aka prolapsed utuerus, the malady sometimes badly fixed by the transvaginal mesh)
• changes to breasts
• increased foot size
• varicose veins
• scarring from episiotomy or c-section
• other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
• increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
• loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)
• higher lifetime risk of developing Altzheimer's
• newer research indicates microchimeric cells, other bi-directional exchanges of DNA, chromosomes, and other bodily material between fetus and mother (including with "unrelated" gestational surrogates)

Occasional complications and side effects:

• complications of episiotomy
• spousal/partner abuse
• hyperemesis gravidarum
• temporary and permanent injury to back
• severe scarring requiring later surgery
  (especially after additional pregnancies)
• dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
• pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
• eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
• gestational diabetes
• placenta previa
• anemia (which can be life-threatening)
• thrombocytopenic purpura
• severe cramping
• embolism (blood clots)
• medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
• diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
• mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
• serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
• hormonal imbalance
• ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
• broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
• hemorrhage and
• numerous other complications of delivery
• refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
• aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
• severe post-partum depression and psychosis
• research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
• research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
• research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease

Less common (but serious) complications:

• peripartum cardiomyopathy
• cardiopulmonary arrest
• magnesium toxicity
• severe hypoxemia/acidosis
• massive embolism
• increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
• molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease
  (like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
• malignant arrhythmia
• circulatory collapse
• placental abruption
• obstetric fistula

More permanent side effects:

• future infertility
• permanent disability
• death.

 

Good, if she's killing her fetus maybe she shouldn't be having anymore.

 

So you have already admitted pregnancy does not threaten women’s lives in any significant numbers, so you are now saying discomfort justifies her committing a homicide against her own child?