Trump Says He Will Void Birthright Citizenship Law Through Executive Order

That was my explanation of who is and isn't covered in US jurisdiction. I never said anything about the founders. Get over yourself.

 

True. Nobody has bothered to explain how illegal immigrants aren’t subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. The trumpers are trying to draw a distinction here, but under the 14th amendment and the case law interpreting it, there’s no difference to be found. These “strict constructionists” (LOL) seek to add language to the Constitution which simply isn’t there because Bonespurs is becoming desperate.

 

I actually took you seriously and posted a fairly complete response, and you decided to ignore it, so...you're not serious.

 

No, you didn’t. You posted your own interpretation without bothering to address the plain language of the 14th amendment, it’s interpretation by courts, it’s interpretation by scholars, or any earthly reason why “subject to its jurisdiction” somehow, magically, doesn’t apply to illegal immigrants.

Don’t post without bothering to come up with something more compelling than your own unvarnished musings.which are not serious.

 

It declares Jus Solis as opposed to Jus Sanguinis. Same reason theft or murder are defined in the law. Without the law, they would not be crimes even though the person committing the acts is under the jurisdiction.

 

U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark the Supreme Court ruled that "jurisdiction" means a place where people are subject to US laws. A persons immigration status has nothing to do with it.

And that means anyone born on US soil is a citizen unless you are a diplomat who is immune from US laws.

 

Exactly. Like I said, a distinction without a difference

 

Yep. Native americans were not considered citizens because they didn't pay taxes and were considered separate "nations" when treating with the federal government back in the day. Its all in the wiki link you referred to. Did you actually read it?

 

Rectifying the problem that they weren't considered covered by the 14th amendment because of their quasi nation status in treating with the federal government. Seems WW1 changed some rather ingrained prejudicial attitudes.

Are you seriously suggesting that your government doesn't have jurisdiction over every human being within its borders?

 

We have cases of Mexicans murdering Americans only to have Mexico claim that they want them back and we have no right to execute them.

 

Well because there is no death penalty in Mexico so they object. Is that so hard to understand. Even Canada wouldn't extradite an american back to america to face the death penalty. Its a thing around the world with all nations who have abolished it.

 

Of course. But running from the facts doesn't change anything. Why are running from them.

The people looking for more citizens via illegal aliens argue that the 14th Amendment granted automatic birthright citizenship to anyone born in the US.

If that were true, that would have included Native Americans, and no separate act would have been required, regardless of whether they paid taxes, or were considered living in separate Nations.

 

No...I did exactly that. But I doubt you are open to anything outside of your ideological binders. The fact that you were not able to challenge any point kind of says it all.

 

Not responsive to the question, but thanks for playing.

 

Factually incorrect since American Indians were born on US soil but were not citizens.

 

I'm pretty sure this has been dealt with in this thread, or many others, before. We acknowledge already that there were exceptions, Indians and diplomats. The drafters made plain that foreigners were an exception.

Weirdly though, you are arguing for a position about another country. Since your country has statutory birthright citizenship, why worry about what some other country is doing?

 

Read the thread. The reason has been explained several times already.

 

Heh, I think I've said that several times already!

 

Well, say it to yourself this time, Mike.

 

You've already failed with a lack of serious response. It's nice to see you try and pretend however.

 

Factually 100% correct. They were listed as persons not "in jurisdiction". I already clarified that. Please keep up.

 

Hilarious that you can't actually debate my arguement because of course it is factual and correct. But then, intelligent thought isn't a hallmark of the Trump touts.

So now you are called out. Lets see if you can actually give a reason why my extrapolation of Republican idiocy isn't valid

 

Where were they listed? There was a list?

 

Your "argument" was that if Trump signed the EO and SC high fived it, half of Americans would lose their citizenship.

That is the argument you want me to debate. I was actually trying to give you a break on that by not addressing it directly because of the stupidity of that "argument." OK, you've called me out. So I MUST respond! So my response is: please explain why half of all Americans will no longer be citizens.

 

Both of my parents came from Europe through Ellis Island.

I'm lucky my dad had become "naturalized" by the time I was born.

My mom was still working on it.