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Trump's Air Force One deal - cost Boeing another $766 million - taking their total loss to $2B

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by MJ Davies, Oct 28, 2022.

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  1. MJ Davies

    MJ Davies Well-Known Member

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    MJ Davies, Oct 28, 2022
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    Right is the way Well-Known Member

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    So Trump made a deal for the government to have a project done at a fixed cost, instead of just letting them keep charging more and that is a bad thing?
     
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    Moolk Banned

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    Lmaooo yea let’s misrepresent what actually happened and get outraged!
     
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  4. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Did you read your own article or just immediately jump into your hourly anti Trump hate mode? The very first issues they listed that caused Boeing problems were caused by Biden and democrats. Read your own article. Also, Boeing agreed to build something at a set cost because they thought they could do it, those are conditions in millions of contracts every year with millions of companies. Maybe your landlord can raise your rent even though it’s in the middle of your lease because he’s not making money.

    Did I ever tell you how much I love Trump? My wife loves him, too. We have MAGA hats and watched every rally. Love Trumps hate; YOUR hate.
     
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    Bowerbird, Oct 29, 2022
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    Biden wasn’t mentioned in the article
     
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    Exactly lol.

    Trump has proven to be a better president than any modern day dem.
     
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  8. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not by name, but he was.
     
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    Lols! And you accuse US of being focussed on Trump! Lols!
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lololol….one post in one thread out numbers thousands of posts in hundreds of threads.

    I’ll make you a deal. I won’t mention Biden in threads and you guys don’t mention Trump. I can already see you all sweating, nervously shaking and bordering on panic on how you’ll deflect from Biden’s failures and destruction of a country.

    by the way, can I focus on the current guy In the Oval Office without your criticism? He did, after all, say he would take responsibility and not blame anyone else. Or did you miss that?
     
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    Wait a minute here....So Boeing and the Trump Administration agreed to a fix price for the aircraft at the time in 2018. Yes Boeing agreed to the fixed price, the US government doesn't have the authority to mandate Boeing produce them aircraft. The CEO of Boeing later down the line says that agreeing to a fixed price was probably not the brightest idea in hindsight. But they agreed to it at the time. It's a contract they negotiated and agreed to.

    Years later inflation hits affecting the price of everything so it's going to cost Boeing more money to produce these aircraft, roughly $766 Million more now.

    Trump screwed Boeing over....

    I enjoy engaging in conversation and debate and I try to when I can which is obviously not as often as I would like given my limited time doing so as many have noticed...But I mean seriously......what??

    On a slightly different note yet in line with the discussion here. So? Guess who pays Boeing to build stuff for the US government. We do, the government uses our taxes to pay Boeing and other companies to build this sort of stuff and all the other stuff these companies build for government and military use. If Trump would have agreed to a fluid contract deal then we the taxpayer would be footing the $766 Million over cost for these planes and not Boeing.

    Here is a little insight that most folks aren't privy to. Do you want to know why the US Defense Budget is always so ridiculously high? Because these defense contractor companies turn the government upside down and shake the ever living crap out of their pockets and the government lets them do it. And by their pockets I mean our pockets because the government money is our money that we pay via taxes. I know about Boeing very well, the nature of my job has to deal with Boeing and money associated with stuff from Boeing dealing with the stuff Boeing sells the US Government for the military. The amount of money these folks are allowed to charge the US government (taxpayers) for stuff is ABSURD. Absurd as in 10 bucks per bolt and $75,000 for a fabricated metal component that you "can't use in house Soldiers to fabricate who fabricate all types of other stuff because only we Boeing can make it or else it'll be in violation of regulation blah blah blah that the US government agreed to abide by when they did the contract for it". And no I am not exaggerating to make a point because we're talking about this.

    Trying to paint this as somehow a failure of Trump is ridiculous in itself. But even if somehow somebody can mash the puzzle pieces together via brute force and justify this is somehow Trump's fault that Boeing agreed to a fixed contract that they now have to honor and lose money then to that I say....good.

    Screw you Boeing. By having to eat the cost by agreeing to a hindsight perceived dumb contract YOU now get to eat $766 Million instead of passing that cost on to the American taxpayers to build these aircraft. That's about 0.000001% of the money you've been ripping the taxpayers of America off by over the years by charging American taxpayers a 500% markup on equipment that our nation's military needs for the defense of our country.
     
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  12. Steve N

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    It started off as rising costs were being blamed on Putin, remember that? Then higher prices were blamed on corporate greed, remember that? Now that corps can’t be greedy and make a profit who do you blame?

    Hypocrite much?

    Your intense but impartial hatred has completely blinded you.
     
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    There are a lot of things to criticize donny for. I don’t think this is one of them.

    If he got Boeing to sign up to terms that Boeing later regrets, that’s on Boeing. They are big boys.

    The only thing I would say about it that if the contract is SO bad for Boeing that it risks significant job cuts or bankruptcy, the federal government should give some relief. It is in the country’s interest for Boeing to survive and thrive.
     
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    Ooooh! Goody! Rubs hands with glee

    Got an admission!

    See? That is how focussing on the “neener neener your side lost” really gains you nothing
     
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    ETTD, self fulfilling.
     
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    Biden is President. If Boeing is losing money building AF1, now, that's on him, not Trump...lol
     
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    MJ Davies Well-Known Member

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    Yep.

    Just like most of us learned the meaning of Freedom of Speech in elementary school (and HS and college and graduate school and at our jobs and at our places of worship and with our family, neighbors and friends, etc.).

    Sidney Powell
    Rudy G.
    Mike Lindell
    Alex Jones
    Kanye/Ye

    Paid quite a bit of tuition to learn the simple fact that Freedom of Speech never meant freedom from consequences for that speech. /smdh

    My guess is Jones and Bannon are going to be on the hot seat again because they are infected with Orange Cancer which has symptoms of being outrageously self-entitled and the inability to shut the hell up.
     
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    Boeing is over budget $766 million on one airplane? If they're that badly managed, they should go out of business.
     
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    It is also a more updated aircraft for updated electronics. Fixed contracts do have changes, it’s just not done to shift money to a crony as usual.
     
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    Freedom literally means no concequinces...lol. Otherwise, you aren't "free".

    It's amazing how you people will latch onto a talking point and use it to death. Blows my mind...lol
     
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    In compliance with the rules of this forum, I am compelled to list the actual title of the source of information so I didn't write the headlines. "Inside" did.

    With that said, I understand your position. I write legal contracts all the time and understand this is what was agreed upon. My vehement revulsion of Trump is that he is constantly embezzling, defrauding and stealing $$$ from people.

    I'm completely-the-F-out of "give him the benefit of the doubt".
     
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    "The first of the new jets, which Boeing is not building from scratch, but from two repurposed jetliners, was originally scheduled to enter service in 2024.

    However, in June, a report by the US Government Accountability Office warned that labor shortages, as well as delays caused by interior work on the planes, could push back the delivery of the two jets. The program is up to three years behind schedule, per Reuters."

    They should have given it to Airbus, Boeing is so mismanaged these days they can't seem to do anything and have only survived by paying of members off Congress and others.
     
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    Baloney.

    From your article:

    "Supply chain, inflation, labor shortages, macroeconomic challenges are challenging for everybody," Dave Calhoun, the CEO of Boeing, said during the call to discuss the company's earnings.

    Boeing is liable for the cost of any overruns in the project under a deal struck with the White House to produce the two VC-25s in 2018. Then-President Donald Trump played a personal role in the negotiations to agree on the fixed-price deal.

    Boeing agreed, under a contract they chose to legally bind themselves, to produce a good for an agreed on price.....

    ....and you want to blame Trump?

    He created a good deal.

    A good deal that was ruined because of "supply chain, inflation, labor shortages, etc"

    Who was it that caused these problems?

    The people you vote for.
     
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