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Trump's Air Force One deal - cost Boeing another $766 million - taking their total loss to $2B

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    How was Boeing embezzled, defrauded or stolen from in this deal?
     
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    And this is why these companies are mis-managed and cost us trillions more than we should pay.

    When I say we though, I mean people who actually pay taxes.
     
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    It's time Boeing stood on it's own feet and took responsibilty for it's own management decisions. Airbus could have built the aircraft and had them ready for delivery. Boeing has used it's political power to cut out competition for years and the country has paid for it with these blank check contracts.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thinking was not involved in the establishment of this thread.
     
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    LOL, I most certainly remember Trump and his supporters claiming Trump would cut such red tape, while he was POTUS. :)
     
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    This is what I'm talking about Trump could do no right no matter what he did. If he were to have negotiated a fluid contract instead of a fixed one then the headline would be "Trump's Air Force One deal costing American taxpayers $766 Million". Then all of his detractors would be running around talking about how dummy Trump screwed up yet again and is costing us hundreds of millions of dollars as taxpayers even long after he's out of the White House. He's supposed to be some super genius billionaire deal maker yet he screwed up this deal and we have to foot the bill for it because he's a moron.

    He can't win, every single thing he does is spun into a negative which is why I've long since stopped giving any validity to Trump criticisms. This is the problem, there are plenty of valid criticisms of Trump just like there are plenty of valid criticisms of any President to have ever served this country. But when every single thing he does is criticized to oblivion up to and including even the way the man likes to eat his steak then the valid criticisms get lost in the mix. So now when I read one of the dozens of headlines per day about something "bad" Trump did I tend to just dismiss it outright and give it zero thought. The problem is that particular headline might actually hold some weight and be worth reading as it may contain a valid concern. But since the media has been exaggerating and crying wolf for so long about Trump I'm likely going to just skip right on passed it because so many of the criticisms of Trump turn out to be extreme straw grasping nonsense like this one.
     
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  7. MJ Davies

    MJ Davies Well-Known Member

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    Facts in evidence: Trump is a failure and lose with no leadership skills or common sense. He's a mafia boss surrounded by other lunatics that think loyalty to him means anything.
     
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    Epic speech
     
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    Oh well THAT proves the Boeing deal was a bad deal for the taxpayers..............................:wall:
     
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    Bullseye, Oct 29, 2022
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  12. Steve N

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    I have no idea what any of that means.
     
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  13. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If freedom of speech is so high on the list for libs, then why are they literally crying about democracy ending because Musk is offering free speech to everyone?
     
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    Either Boeing didn't know the cost of building the planes and just threw a number out there just to get the deal signed, or Biden's inflation is hitting them where it hurts.
     
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    Obviously!
    For so long in American politics there has been this thing of “Owning the Libs” and putting aside that that is THE most asinine excuse to support anyone I have ever encountered I just could not resist pointing out how it might feel when the tables were turned
     
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    So just one point of disagreement. When I worked for a manufacturing firm in the 90s, the GSA desk was always busy at budget close. “Hello, this is xyz Division of the Army. I have to spend $139,345.66,” by next Friday or my budget gets reduced. I don’t care what you send me, just get it to exactly that amount.”
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The left on Monday: Corporations are too greedy, making too much money and that's why we have inflation.

    The left on Tuesday: Greedy corporations aren't making enough money and it's Trump's fault.
     
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    “Biden’s inflation”. So he and he alone is causing inflation and supply chain issues world wide?
     
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  19. Steve N

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    He plays a large part in our inflation. And the supply issues Boeing is complaining about, isn't that on Butti, or is that someone else's fault, too?

    Nothing, and I mean nothing, is ever the fault of Biden and democrats, they always have someone to blame besides themselves.

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    “As I said to you on other interviews, I will take responsibility. When I fail, I will acknowledge it, and I will not deny that I made a mistake.”

    https://transcripts.cnn.com/show/se/date/2020-12-03/segment/01
     
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    It's worse than that. Any R that is not wealthy is voting against their best interests. Every D has improved the economy and every R has increased the deficit.

    A few more months from now they will be have hissy fits about all the little girls that need public assistance for her rapist's baby(ies) while ignoring the fact they are losing their minds about consenting adults in LGBTQ but there is no such thing as "consent" until a specific age (varies by state). Why aren't they concerned about those mostly white, heterosexual "Christian" rapists? Remember how kind they were when there was a shortage of baby formula for moms at the border? Prepare yourself for that to flip when the hungry babies are white.

    SUMMARY: It's difficult to take anything they say seriously after the sided with the criminals on J6 and are now propping up a vegetable that can even tell us how many kids he has or abortion financed. Yes, we know that he's being groomed as a patsy but the fact that he doesn't know that answers the question if he's capable of representing anybody else.

    If they didn't hate everybody and dismiss higher education, they would know that Blue states subsidize Red states and all the people they hate are providing that. I will never understand a mindset that thinks a little girl having a baby is preferable than saying gay people exist and many cultures and people helped birth and build this country. Then again. I'm at a disadvantage. I've never hated anybody in my entire life until I started to learn more about Trump so they have decades of circle jerks telling them that position is legit. Good ol' "Christian" love (as long as you're white, male, heterosexual, bigoted, have no disabilities, blond, blue-eyed, thin and self-righteous). Sound like another dumb@ss we know of?

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    You have not explained how he is controlling inflation in the rest of the world - you know those bits not America?
     
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    When did this thread become about Jan 6? Maybe it’s time to quit having topics, since all threads lead to that.
     
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    Oh yeah that still happens to this day big time. This is one point where Conservatives usually tend to pull out the pitch forks against me but I've been saying it for years. We absolutely do spend way too much money on the defense budget. The DoD does not need a budget increase we need a damn audit and a huge one. If the DoD was a private company we'd be Enron. The only reason the DoD is able to get away with being so horrendously managed is because it's part of the government and can't exactly go "bankrupt". If taxpayers truly knew the full extent of the MILLIONS of dollars of random unnecessary crap the DoD buys every September just to "spend the rest of the money on the books so we get the same budget next year from Congress" they'd be livid and rightfully so. But it's the "military" and stating you want to talk about the military budget tends to get translated into "hurt the military" which is a big no no.

    However, a big part of the reason why the DoD budget is so massive is because the government negotiates ludicrous contracts with defense contractors. Even if we did nothing other than renegotiate these contracts for better deals like Trump did with Boeing for these new Air Force One planes Congress would still be able to cut millions from the budget right off the bat. Even while still letting the DoD still continue to be run in such a terrible fashion. Lockheed, General Dynamics, Boeing, etc would still jump through hoops to win DoD contracts even if it became clear we're only going to let them rake us over the coals for a 400% markup on stuff instead of 500%. That'll save taxpayers money and these corporations would still be banging down the door and they know it. The US government is the best and most stable customer these corporations have.

    At the end of the day taxpayers not being the ones who have to eat the $766 million for the President's new planes is a good thing for the American people. Bad for Boeing, but good for the taxpayers. Taxpayers pay Boeing way more than enough in other venues to more than make up for it.
     
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    I want a bunch of little Elon Musks crawling through every line of the federal budget. I’ll bet we could cut in in half for all the waste I can see with my own eyes.

    I recall a story a few years back; someone was selling the government $93,000 screws, or something. Every single person who has the power to spend government money needs a major audit.
     
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    I think they threw a number out there believing (knowing?) the government would bail them out.
     
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