Trumps spending is beyond insane

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  1. Dayton3

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    Which is not supported by the information in the article.

    Learn to read.
     
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    That was what Rumsfeld thought, but his transformation didn't work out so well. One could say today's war is about information warfare and perception management.
     
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    Sorry but the projection of power and defending those countries is the same exact thing.
     
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    Perhaps you should go back and read the first two footnoted references.
     
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    They can be tied together at times but they are not the same thing.
     
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    neither was the tea party... notice they no where to be seen

    republicans borrow and spend

    democrats tax and spend
     
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    They are always tied together.
     
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    The tea party is gone becauae Democrats kept telling lies about them..


    Borrowing and spending is far superior to tax and spending, because taxing destoys the economy and reduces long term revenue.
     
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    agree, if we cut the waste out of the military, it could be easily cut in half... and create a war tax when ever we go to war woudl prevent 10+ year wars
     
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    Constitutional ammendment requiring congress to pass budgets that are not beyond revenue from the previous year.


    Deficit spending should be unconstitutional.

    Of congress does not get a budget passed. Thr government is suspended for the year including pay and benefits for all government employees. Except for defence.
    Ohh and national parks will be open and unstaffed.
     
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    Ramstein AFB in Germany is used to stage troops to and from the Middle East, not sure how that is defending Germany. In the broader sense against Islamic terrorism perhaps but that is not what I would term as defending their nation from a military standpoint.

    U.S. Forces in Okinawa, Japan train to react to a North Korean invasion of South Korea, not a invasion of Japan.

    Multiple examples of these type of situations across the globe.
     
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    Not even close.
     
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    Borrowing means the debt gets to 20+ trillion dollars and we pay more in interest than the right used to want to spend on the people

    the tea party is gone, cause it was never about debt under Obama, that was a lie.. as we can see Trump is setting record debt every year and the tea party is silent
     
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    Where did you pull the 50% number from?

    War tax? Is that applicable only when we declare war? If so I see slight problem with your plan....
     
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    1) waste in the military is not simply a line item you can eliminate.
    2) It takes years to prepare for a war. You don't just levy a tax and then you're ready to fight a war the next month or even the next year.
     
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    So killing Islamic terrorists doesn't protect germany and every other western country?

    And the protection of south Korea isn't vital to Japan??
     
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    It does protect every other Western nation.

    Of course it benefits Japan and all nations in that part of the world.

    But in neither case are U.S. Forces in those two countries to solely protect them. Bases in both countries are used to project U.S. power in situations that are not direct threats to those countries regularly.

    The defense U.S. of Germany effectively ended when the Warsaw Pack collapse and the threat of Soviet armor columns rolling the Fulda Gap stopped. Japan is moving more and more into their own defense as NK gets more and more unpredictable. They deployed a warship to the Middle East recently to protect their shipping in the area which I am glad to see.

    Diego Garcia for one more example, U.S. forces are not on it to defend it. They are using it as a base to project power in the region. More so a supply point in that case which allow the projection of power.
     
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    your right, Congress needs to take control of war again, they gave that power to the President and that is why we have 10+ year wars - war must be declared

    Republicans under Trump have given up oversight of the President as well, we are on our way to a dictator
     
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    Better to borrow than to steal. Granted were splitting hairs.
     
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    Some are ridiculous some aren't.
     
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    now that's funny the only people the Dems are ever willing to cut is the military and for every dollar they take from them they spend two somewhere else. The only thing the left wants to do is tax us into Oblivion so all the Latinos will have to go back home to find a job.
    Hell Bernie's talking about doubling spending over the next ten years and his promised tax changes won't raise ten percent of the money needed to cover that gap.
     
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    Yeah. Like... where it's needed. The only military spending Democrats are slashing is unnecessary spending. Whereas Trump has, in effect, slashed necessary spending.

    You need to get your facts straight because, while what you say may have been true many years ago, it is exactly the contrary now.

    https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/...ways-we-waste-money-our-military-budget.html/
     
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    Neither have ever invaded the US.
     
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    Showbiz cheat sheet? Totally credible I'm sure. Welfare wastes 1.1 trillion.
     
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