Two emergency medicine doctors, in New Jersey and Washington State, are in critical condition

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  1. Texas Republican

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    And one for those that just want to take cheap shots at the U.S.

    They should worry about their own insignificant countries.
     
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    Just because they're doctors doesn't automatically mean they were infected at work. It's perfectly possible that they caught it elsewhere. Anyway, much of the point of the standard infection control kit medical staff wear is to protect patients from them more than the other way around.
     
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    OP, do you realize there's a perfectly good chance that you and yours will be just fine at the end of the day?
     
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    And conservatives think that everyone but them is evil and incompetent and they are protected only by their faith in God which nobody who has ever had anything bad happen to them can have since the creator is righteous and would not afflict the innocent.

    It's all religious fanaticism
     
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    Yeh, some people do have that incorrect view of Christianity—on both sides of the aisle and among believers and non believers.

    Doesn’t invalidate my point.
     
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    Whatever religious or secular label one wishes to give to their beliefs, it is when such beliefs become 'dogmatic' (not open to having a view challenged by evidence, reason and scientific studies) that you run into problem, not what label you give to the beliefs at issue. Of course, those who are genuinely attached to a scriptural, received, understanding of issues (regardless of the 'scripture' at issue) are almost automatically and by definition people who believe in dogma. But dogmatic people include many atheists and people holding all sorts of 'secular ideologies' as well. On the other hand, while somewhat rare, you can find people of faith (though not so much those who believe in scripture) that are actually logical, open minded, and the opposite of being dogmatic.
     
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    If what we now have is less than perfection it just ain't good enough and people must demand, scream, and shout for immediate perfection right now and yesterday.
     
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    We can make anything. I think some sort of rebreather apparatus that uses medical oxygen would be the cheapest and least intrusive option. But i really doubt we could get enough made, bugs worked out, and get folks trained to work while using them in time to make a difference. Prolly more effective at this point to use those resources on hiring more ppl trained to administer IV fluids and take vitals.
     
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    One is over 70 and the article does not state whether the other had any other underlying factors.
     
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    Who's willing to die? And what Trump screw up? Was there a screw up at CDC, yes and it was corrected. Thankfully we are not dependent on a government run health system and the private sector is running at high gear now.
     
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    Trump was supposed to wave a magic wand and make the US the only place on earth without this virus?
     
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    Some of the problems come down to the masks

    Ideally they are “fit tested” and the substance they use to do that had me lip puckered and spitting for days!! Now they are only “fit checked” which is looser and not as effective
     
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    Since most of OUR cases have come from the US then YES he should have done more earlier
     
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    Some hospitals here are opting for PAPR equipment

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    https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company...1017+8711405+8720539+8720547+3294857497&rt=r3
     
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    Agreed.

    A side effect of basic human nature. The species is lazy by default, doing the least amount of work necessary, simply because it believes it is "good enough" until proven wrong. Even when proven wrong, the moment a crisis passes, it goes right back to doing the least amount of work necessary to get by.
     
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    I don't buy it.Two highly Liberal Democrat states.I bet there will be
    no word or questiones allowed concerning those 2 doctors.
    Watch for that to start happening.Suppression of the news.
    Like what China does.Only in Reverse.This Country is chock filled
    with rabid Unamerican pols and Bureaucrats and especially a Lying,
    corrupt MSM.Why should they be entrusted for a doggone minute,these
    liars with the media complex to report honestly.
    This is the Crisis they've been waiting for.Hoping for.
    China was using state run Communist Propaganda to keep the
    number of infected low.Here in the states the exact opposite.
    Gets the numbers up in order to play politics.
     
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    Why is this surprising? Obviously if you are in and working around people with the virus you run the risk of getting it too
     
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    What did the pandemic response team do that the center for disease control either could not do, or simply was not doing?
     
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    Won't be long now before Martial Law is declared.Trump may feel
    he has no other choice.But it's his decision to make.He needs to surround
    himself with very steady,trustworthy and Intelligent leaders.No Pols.
    No Bureaucrats.Especially no one associated with Google or
    even Silicon Valley.Unless they force his hand to comply with their
    dictates.Which probably would entail shutting down communications so
    Real News is not available.Just State Run Propaganda to hide facts
    and put americans in a state of dependency.Meaning Limited Freedom.
     
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    He declared a public health emergency in January, it's up to your country to protect your country not Trump.
     
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    There is NO evidence that has had any effect. The head of the agency resigned in protest they were being reorganized and consolidated, the others were not renewed due to that. Their emphasis was OUTSIDE the country. We already have the CDC and a team to combat this virus, a team of the most qualified in the world, was quickly established. Another let's blame Trump canard.
     
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    Scuttlebutt has it that maybe tonight Trump will declare a
    ban on Interstate travel.Since he came to this Virus late and it
    got out of control { Not Maintained } he may have his ability to
    act normally and with caution usurped.
    That in cities like N.Y.City where cases are poping-up and
    Hospitals are in panic mode due to lack of beds and medical
    equipment,this virus may get further and faster out of control.
    By Banning Interstate travel,it may bring numbers down.
    But as of now,Corn Virus numbers are very sparse.Much less
    than the average flu.
    Microbes are nothing to scoff at.We thought we took care of it with stuff like
    the Mumps.But that disease is coming back.
     
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    Last edited: Mar 16, 2020
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    This Panic was controlled.This scumbagger Mainstream media could
    have tapped it down.Like they did in 2009 for Obama's Swine Flu.
    Nothing even close to a panic.Not even when Obama first took charge
    over 6 months later { Oct. 24,2009 } making a declaration.That was the
    day of the 1,ooo th death.
    Globalists in league with this Country's Authoritarian Democrats
    have sough out a way to control We the People.They tried it with
    Global Warming and then Climate Change.By disrespecting and
    having Protests as Donald Trump was being sworn-in.
    Then during Russia gate.Then Ukraine Gate.Then Impeachment.
    Trump just got stronger after each spectacle.
    Most people can understand that Trump and no human is much
    match for a contagious Virus.And we've heard much about the
    Spanish Flu over the course of the last few years.
    This Flu is tailore-made to unravel Trump's Presidency while
    needlessly creating hysteria for average Americans.It most easily
    can impact the economy.So keep a sharp eye and ear out for what
    Democrat Pols are talking about and acting.
    Do they stress the need to listen to the experts.
    Because that makes no sense.According to the experts open
    borders and Illegals are no problem whatsoever.Until it was
    an Immediate Health problem.Illegals bringing in disease from
    South America.Overflooding the borders and seeking shelter in
    Sanctuary cities.Plus the problems in place like Los Angeles with
    the homeless explosion.Where were the experts then.Making sure
    Los Angeles cleaned up because Rat Infestation was out of control.
    The L.A. Mayor just scoffed.Ignored.Hollywood couldn't be bothered.
    Now all of a sudden everything is a huge Red flag.
    Gimme a break.
     
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