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Yes, Israel helped create HAMAS as a foil against Yasser Arafat. The Israelis have admitted it publicly in testimony on C Span and elsewhere.. and it was written up the the WSJ and the NY Times.

Sabeel opposed the formation of HAMAS.. as did most Palestinian Christians and Muslims, but HAMAS was recruiting aggressively in the meanest and most impoverished of the refugee camps.

You seem particularly ignorant of the history of Israel.

 

Yes, Israel helped create HAMAS as a foil against Yasser Arafat. The Israelis have admitted it publicly in testimony on C Span and elsewhere.. and it was written up the the WSJ and the NY Times.

Sabeel opposed the formation of HAMAS.. as did most Palestinian Christians and Muslims, but HAMAS was recruiting aggressively in the meanest and most impoverished of the refugee camps.

You seem particularly ignorant of the history of Israel.

 

Does this individual, who I wouldn't trust if they said water was wet, actually think that if they repeat the same lie 1000 times, it might have more traction?

Honey, people KNOW the history of the arab fedayeen attacks from syria, lebanon, jordan and egypt in the 1960s, it is COMMON KNOWLEDGE.

Claiming that those attacks did not occur is laughable, and is destroying what credibility you have left, if any.

 

Serious, its like arab muslims are boasting: "hey we created a terrorist group to murder people, but it can be excused because Israel sent us some money!" The level of excusing and apologizing for the worst behavior, by the most disgusting people - arab muslims - is just astounding. These people think they are actually advancing their cause and "winning" arguments with this crap.

 

How does this exonerate the fact that the arab muslims created a terrorist group to murder people? Something tells me the Israelis gave help to the arabs to start a political party to counter the PLO, not a terrorist group. Get some facts, dear.

Look who's talking. So, no jews fought the Turks in WW1, huh? Or did you give up that claim?

 

I have no idea what this babble is about.

I have said nothing to suggest this. You have lowered yourself enormously.

Nor did I do that. You have really sunk or maybe you are drinking tonight.

You believe Jews think with one voice? Why would they do that when no other people do?

I think I was right. I think you must be drunk. Just out of interest what did I say which got to you so much?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_against_Israeli_civilians_before_1967

Border conflict, 1957-1967

• Apr 16, 1957 - Militants infiltrated from Jordan, and killed two guards at Kibbutz Mesilot.
• May 20, 1957 - A gunman opened fire on a truck in the Arava region, killing a worker.
• May 29, 1957 - A tractor driver was killed and two others wounded, when the vehicle struck a landmine, next to kibbutz Kissufim.
• June 23, 1957 - Israelis were wounded by landmines, close to the Gaza Strip.
• Aug 23, 1957 - Two guards of the Israeli Mekorot water company were killed near Kibbutz Beit Govrin.
• Dec 21, 1957 - A member of kibbutz Gadot was killed in the Kibbutz fields.
• Feb 11, 1958 - Militants killed a resident of moshav Yanov who was on his way to Kfar Yona, in the Sharon area.
• Apr 5, 1958 - Militants lying in an ambush shot and killed two people near Tel Lakhish.
• Apr 22, 1958 - Jordanian soldiers shot and killed two fishermen near Aqaba.
• May 26, 1958 - Four Israeli police officers were killed in a Jordanian attack on Mount Scopus, in Jerusalem. At 1654 Local time Lieutenant-Colonel Flint of the Mixed Armistice Commission was killed apparently by a single sniper round while trying to evacuate the dead and wounded Israelis from an Israeli police patrol. The Israeli police patrol was on a disputed route past the al-Issawiya village in the Jordanian controlled area of Mount Scopus.[9]
• Nov 17, 1958 - Syrian militants killed the wife of the British air attaché in Israel, who was staying at the guesthouse of the Italian Convent on the Mt. of the Beatitudes.
• Dec 3, 1958- A shepherd was killed at Kibbutz Gonen. In the artillery attack that followed, 31 civilians were wounded.
• Jan 23, 1959 - A shepherd from Kibbutz Lehavot HaBashan was killed.
• Feb 1, 1959 - Three civilians were killed by a landmine near Moshav Zavdiel.
• Apr 15, 1959 - A guard was killed at kibbutz Ramat Rachel.
• Apr 27, 1959 - Two hikers were shot at close range and killed near Massada.
• Oct 3, 1959 - A shepherd from kibbutz Heftziba was killed near kibbutz Yad Hana.
• Apr 26, 1960 - Militants killed a resident of Ashkelon south of the city.
• Apr 12, 1962 - Militants fired on an Egged bus on the way to Eilat; one passenger was wounded.
• Sept 30, 1962 - Two Militants attacked an Egged bus on the way to Eilat. No one was wounded.
• May 31, 1965 - Jordanian Legionnaires fired on the neighborhood of Musrara in Jerusalem, killing two civilians and wounding four.
• June 1, 1965 - Militants attack a house in Kibbutz Yiftah.
• Sept 29, 1965 - A Militant was killed as he attempted to attack Moshav Amatzia.
• Nov 7, 1965 - A Fatah cell that infiltrated from Jordan blew up a house in Moshav Givat Yeshayahu, south of Beit Shemesh. The house was destroyed, but the inhabitants were unhurt.
• Apr 25, 1966 - Explosions placed by Militants wounded two civilians and damaged three houses in moshav Beit Yosef, in the Beit She'an Valley.
• May 16, 1966 - Two Israelis were killed when their jeep hit a terrorist landmine, north of the Sea of Galilee and south of Almagor. Tracks led into Syria.
• July 14, 1966 - Militants attacked a house in Kfar Yuval, in the North.
• July 19, 1966 - Militants infiltrated into Moshav Margaliot on the northern border and planted nine explosive charges.
• Oct 27, 1966 - A civilian was wounded by an explosive charge on the railroad tracks to Jerusalem.

See all those attacks BEFORE 1967? Since Israel was obviously NOT in the west bank or "occupying" anything at that time, what is the pro-arab propagandists' explanation for that huge number of terrorist attacks? What was the excuse used then by the arab muslim terrorist filth?

 

There are no Islamic holy sites in Jerusalem. There are Islamic abominations built on Jewish holy sites, without Jewish approval. So they should be either demolished or disassembled and reconstructed on Arab soil elsewhere in the middle east.

 

The islamic filth likes to do that everywhere; they build mosques on top of destroyed holy sites of other religions; hindu, buddhist, jewish, etc.

Note that it is highly unlikely the pro-arab propagandists will counter this post, or my earlier one listing all those terror attacks BEFORE 1967. At least not directly, nor with rational statements or facts.

 

The descendants of the Jewish immigrants from the region, known as Mizrahi Jews ("Eastern Jews") and Sephardic Jews ("Spanish Jews"), currently constitute more than half of the total population of Israel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries

 

That's absurd. Israel created HAMAS ??

 

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ

www.wsj.com/articles/SB123275572295011847
Jan 24, 2009 - Moshav Tekuma, Israel. Surveying the wreckage of a neighbor's bungalow hit by a Palestinian rocket, retired Israeli official Avner Cohen traces the missile's trajectory back to an "enormous, stupid mistake" made 30 years ago. "Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel's creation," says Mr. Cohen, a Tunisian-born ...

 

And if you read the entire piece the absurdity is clear.

 

So were you born yesterday?

WikiLeaks: "Israel actively supported Hamas" | JerusalemOnline

www.jerusalemonline.com/.../israeli.../wikileaks-israel-actively-supported-hamas-6980
Aug 4, 2014 - During Operation "Protective Edge", news leaks website WikiLeaks exposes secret documents which were passed between American diplomats in the 1980's. These documents allegedly show that Israel was interested in enabling Hamas activity in its beginning, intending to weaken the Palestine ...

 

Israel Created Two of Its Own Worst Enemies--Hamas and Hezbollah

https://www.wrmea.org › ... › Magazine › Archives › 2000-2005 › 2002 November
Jul 22, 2009 - Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, November 2002, pages 20-21 Special ReportIsrael Created Two of Its Own Worst Enemies—Hamas and.

 

It’s clear who was born yesterday. Israel created hamas ?? Absurd.

 

Come’on - the idea that Israel created hamas is absurd.

 

AELIA CAPITOLINA

I see that rhetoric confrontation doesn’t interest you [or it’s not your way to debate]. Anyway it’s a form of rhetoric to make the hypothesis that the other is drunk … [it would be easy to retort asking if it so common for you that you imagine that also the others are not rarely drunk … but I’m not that malicious … even if I’ve fallen again in rhetoric!].


Now, let me go back and reread what you posted. The first reading left me the impression of something I have heard 1,000 times, well constructed, sure.


The reason why UK was ready to support the creation of a Jewish something [possibly under British control] in Middle East was obvious: the confrontation with the Ottoman Empire first and then the possibility to keep a presence in a so strategic area of the world. And one of the reasons why US, USSR and Turkey recognized almost immediately Israel was just to kick UK out of ME.


The Zionists were simply smart to take advantage of this context. How to propose to a colonialist Europe the idea of the creation of a Jewish state somewhere? A backwards colonization, why not?


But I’m not playing with words … that was a return, not a colonization. Just UN understood this [and when at UN they understand something … that’s an event!] recognizing the conception of the state of Israel. Resolution 181 [November 29th, 1947] adopted the “Partition Plan”. Someone should remind this to Hamas.


En passant, among other things, have you ever considered that early Israel was almost a Socialist state more near to USSR than to US? [Israel even obtained weapons from the Soviet block during the embargo imposed on ME].


Now, your considerations about Zionism and Jews are debatable opinions, but I don’t grasp their pivotal importance yet.


And what you add about the exile [the Diaspora] is near to alternative history. Romans attacked Jerusalem and they destroyed the Temple. They were used to displace entire populations in similar situations [after a kind genocide]. Have you ever heard about “Aelia Capitolina”? It was the Roman name of Jerusalem after that Romans made it a Roman city where Jews weren’t allowed to enter …

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aelia_Capitolina

 

The UK was an enemy of the Jews in the Palestine region of the Ottoman Empire after WWII. They sided with the Arabs and engaged in an actual shooting and killing war with the Jews prior to the establishment of the nation of Israel by the UN.

 

By the time Israel became a state in 1948 the Zionists had killed over 500 British peackeepers

 

The British were anything but peace keepers.

 

Enemy of the Jews, let's say hostile to the idea that they had an independent state there. UK needed a controlled Western presence. London wanted subjugated Jews, in a certain sense. Obviously Jews weren't ready to accept this and they begun to fight against the British presence as well.

 

Remember when the Zionists murdered Count Bernadotte in the street after he had saved 30,000 Jews from the holocaust?

 

Btw ... London didn't recognize the State of Israel immediately after the declaration of independence. UK government waited ... [while as said US, USSR and Turkey recognized the Jewish state].

 

Yes, I know about that episode. It's clear that extremists didn't appreciate the plan of Bernadotte about a possible peace [the fact that the borders were decided by UN and obviously the fact that Jerusalem had to be administrated by UN].

Not the first time extremists hit in their own field [and not only among Jews ...].