U.S. Can Do NOTHING For Climate Change - John Kerry

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  1. Mushroom

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    It is more like you are using the statistically inappropriately. In order to use something like that to try and validate your claim, you have to actually understand what is included in the statistic.

    You used it, trying to claim that most people live in big cities. When that is what the statistic means at all. I do not blame the statistic, I blame how it was incorrectly used.
     
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    I really don't know what information you are asking for.
     
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    I'm not going to argue facts...
     
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    Americans have access to all sorts of opportunities...from graduating high school, attending trade schools, attending colleges, attending universities, so why do so many Americans fail to earn more than $35K/year? My point is no matter if you have free education, it won't make any difference if Americans don't put forth the effort and investment in themselves to achieve more in life...
     
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    https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/geography/guidance/geo-areas/urban-rural.html
     
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    Urban means not rural. I don't think that is misleading.
     
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    Yea. "Urban Clusers". Basically a town and area that have 2,500 people or more.

    By that definition, the majority of people in Urban Areas voted for President Trump. Because there is nobody left in the rural areas.

    I told my buddy about this the other day, he lives in Winnemucca. He laughed his ass off when I told him he lived in an urban area. All he did was laugh, and ask why he had to drive almost 3 hours for anything other then the absolute minimum VA service.

    I find it funny that you all are basically trying to justify this insanity, and not even trying to question the methodology that has been used to arrive at that statistic. One thing that is well known, is that statistics can lie. It is very easy to take or arrive at a statistic, and then twist it to say almost anything you want.

    Want a statistic to show that on average Veterans are more likely to become criminals? I can provide one. Want a statistic to show the opposite, I can show that too. I can show one on how War Veterans are less likely to commit suicide, but it does not matter. People and groups will fudge them, in order to confirm what they claim is true.

    And if anybody really thinks that a rural farming community of over 2,500 people is "Urban", then I guess the closest such a person has ever been to a real rural community is by watching a few minutes of Hee-Haw.
     
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    There are people who live in rural areas. I did for 25 years. Take that 20% trump support away [prob 90% trumpers] and you have Hillary as President. That was about half of his support.

    Urban clusters is just another name for small towns. They are typically small population centers surrounded by rural communities.
     
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    You have 20% of the nation left, which are about 90% trumpers. That accounts for almost half his support.

    So about 30% of the other 80% in urban areas are the rest of his support.
     
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    John Kerry is WRONG...... the USA can lead the charge to turn the deserts of the Middle East green.......
    which will cause an economic boom in the nations with lots of desert....
    The USA can do this supposedly to save money on dikes, sea walls and sump pumping stations in her big cities......

    Enforcing a silly Carbon Tax or Cap and Trade System on the other hand would not accomplish much about climate change because the economies of Asia are growing so fast that many nations will soon become wealthier than we are at this time.....
    and...... CO2 emissions will continue increase........


    Should Sorek 2 be in Australia or California?

     
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    Well, at least it's fun spending money that we'll "supposedly save"!

    And, with our trillion dollar deficit so far THIS YEAR(!), it's not like dreaming up money is out of character!
     
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    Yes. One reason people aren't going to college when they do qualify is that it costs a LOT. I'm not saying it has to be free, though it would be a good investment for our nation to make. With college graduates making about $1m more that those without, one can see that there is even a return due to taxes, let alone factors such as creation of successful new companies, etc.

    We need to look over the period of a career. That takes into account the value of being more hireable in a changing or down economy, for example.

    With our job market changing at an ever faster pace, we stand to leave working people behind like we already have in many areas of manufacturing, coal, and other sectors. Manufacturing has been hiring, but a lot of what they are looking for is people who know how to design, build, install and run automated shops - jobs that almost always go to those with college level education.

    Trump appealed to many in that situation in the last presidential election - people who are serious workers, but their skill sets are less needed. Of course, he's not helping them, but nobody was really doing more than pitching them a story.

    The protection against that seems to me to be education - getting training in these areas with enough breadth that when the market changes, employees are not left in the dust, watching the next generation suck up the good jobs.


    The bottom line is that we need to be doing more to ensure people aren't left behind like that - not because of some election, but because it is bad for families and bad for America.
     
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    I live in a rural community of about 13,000 population. Due to our farming industries, we have a high percentage of minorities in the area. In public schools there is English and Spanish immersion programs. The goal is to allow every high school graduate access to college via grants and scholarships. We personally support some of these programs and have seen first-gen kids moving on to higher education. However, high school graduation rates still suffer so many kids are not going to get access to higher educations. Then we have older people who are plagued with things like a lack of language skills, poor self esteem, pregnancies, parenting, lower skill sets, and most are required to work full-time leaving little time or energy to obtain additional education. IMO this mostly defines Americans earning median wage of $35K and below. Dangle free or subsidized college studies to this group and I'm guessing few can make it happen. For those born in the USA and schooled in the USA, society needs to greatly improve the curriculums, greatly improve the educational experience, and work towards 100% graduation rates instead of perhaps today 50% of the kids learning nothing and dropping out. For those born outside the USA, there is a whole other set of issues to deal with, obviously compounding the effort to achieve higher potentials.

    IMO this is an area in which it's relatively easy to understand the goals but very very difficult to achieve those goals...
     
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    What is more ridiculous is the notion that education makes people smarter. People are born with an IQ. Education makes people more knowledgeable. There are many ways to gain knowledge. What this country needs is not free education. It needs better education. All that is necessary is to change it with some common sense.
     
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    Fine but what about people who are not capable of college work to get a bachelors degree using the classic demand they take rigorous and demanding studies and challenge themselves to be better people the kind of liberal education you would get at a good state college in 1950 including learning culturally good things. You know the average IQ is 100 and the student I noted above would have an I of around 120?

    Plus what about those who want to work and not go to school taking courses unrelated to a job we need a lot more High School Trade Education, apprenticeships and we will need options for low IQ people who are displaced due to automation.
     
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    Unfortunately, Kerry is right. We're too short-sighted to make it as a species. We had this idea we could pour gigatons of **** into the air decade after decade and not have to worry about it. When has life EVER been that easy? Now the chickens are coming home to roost.

    We'll be OK. Greta will be OK. Our grandkids will be OK. We're a rich country. Poor people, as usual, will take it in the shorts. And if we hit a weird feedback loop, like methane bubbling out of the ocean, well, I guess we had a good run.

    Oh, and as a Californian, I will say we at least tried to do something about it. A little.
     
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    Well...IMO a kid who is not capable of benefiting from the learning experience in public education grades 1-12 should not be admitted to the standard public education curriculum. I feel the same about kids who wish to attend college; if they are not capable of success in those curriculums, then college studies is not for them. What happens to kids who do not possess the ability to attend public education and college is another discussion. I don't have the answers but only questions, for example, why are approximately 80 million adults in the US today failing to graduate from high school and/or college in order to realize their full potential?
     
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    many (most?) of those people are really content making 35k or less. They're not helpless they're just content.

    Bottom line is majy are not motivated enough to do the work necessary to increase that so by default they adjust their lifestyle instead of their efforts.
     
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    Kids basically get one chance to learn and succeed grades K-12. I'd say there are three major factors in what happens K-12; first, how well does every teacher and school perform? Second, how does the kid's environment during K-12 influence their learning experience? Third, what is the potential of each kid?

    Somewhere within these three areas lies the answers how to maximize high school learning and graduation and to get more kids to achieve higher educations in our college systems...
     
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    #4 internal pride and motivation.
     
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    So we can't make it better. Therefore we should try to make it worse?
     
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    Why not? This is lefty logic on crimes committed by illegals.
    The standard answer the left deflects to, when crimes by illegals are pointed out, is to deflect to crimes committed by citizens.
     
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    No it's not. You're referring to the fact that liberals point out that immigrants commit FEWER crimes than people born here, which means that we would more effectively reduce crime by turning our resources to better law enforcement here than to keeping immigrants out. That's simple logic, not deflection.

    And I note that you have deflected the conversation over to immigrants and crime We were discussing the silliness of making Climate Change worse since we cannot make it better. Are you defending that?
     
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    Is John Kerry a scientist and qualified to be an authority on this subject, or is his expertise at the same level of Al Gore?
    A: Yes
    B: No
     

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