U.S. Can Do NOTHING For Climate Change - John Kerry

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    He's as qualified as Gore, who is among the most qualified people in the world. Henry Ford once admitted in court that he was not an automotive engineer, but he still made most of the cars being driven at the time because the knew how to hire properly qualified engineers and he listened to them, something which most deniers should learn how to do.
     
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    I wouldn't ask Henry Ford about the specifics of automotive engineering, I'd ask an automotive engineer. I'd ask Henry Ford about the sale of cars though.
     
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    That's
    A. Unproven...and ..
    B. BS...any crime we can avoid is crime we dont deal with. It refers directly to your 'logic'.

    Any little thing we can do...right?
     
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    I can see how a Libertarian "small government" enthusiast might be offended by research showing that we have a problem requiring a coordinated global inter-governmental response....

    BTW, I'm agnostic about AGW, but I'm listening; and if New York's shoreline - and everywhere else - begins disappearing at a faster rate (cf previous ice-age cycles), I will be convinced, and so will you....

    Given your world view based on classical liberalism, and its emphasis of individual liberty over community well-being, of course you will refuse to even look at alternative possibilities, of which there are many.

    Obviously a managed transfer of resources and equipment from filthy fossil to clean green, in itself releases vast amounts of resources given the size of the filthy fossil industry; and as more energy is generated from green energy, so fossil fuel consumption decreases more and more.

    Some truth in that diatribe.....but you of course will refuse to look at alternative solutions, such as transfer of technologies, and alternative funding models eg central bank money creation overseen by a global institution to facilitate the necessary deployment of available resources.

    But don't forget to look in the mirror....
     
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    So Henry Ford never made a car?
     
  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    By himself, no. His cars were made by thousands of people, yet each one had Ford's distinctive stamp on them. Al Goie is an acknowledged expert on the environment. HIs book is a standard text in the field. and colleges vy for the honor of awarding him honorary degrees every graduation ceremony.
     
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    Wrong, by that logic you should fix your doorbell when your roof is leaking badly and a Hurricane is coming, and that info is from several sources and peer reviewed
     
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    By himself...yes. Not hard to find that info.
    By 1896, Ford had built his own automobile, and he completed a second prototype in 1898. He started two car companies that failed before creating theFord Motor Company in 1903. ... So, Henry Forddidn't invent the car, but he did revolutionize the way cars are built.
    Did Henry Ford invent the car? | HowStuffWorks

    https://auto.howstuffworks.com › under-the-hood › auto-manufacturing › di...
     
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    Wait...did you mean to say "Al Gore" is an "expert" on the environment?:rolleyes: You seem to know as much about him as you do Henry Ford.

    Listening to such "experts" it's no wonder the left spouts such junk "science" drivel. His book, is full of hyperbole and failed 'predictions'. Could you possibly be more mistaken? Thanks for the chuckle..tee hee
     
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    You can't simplify a complex topic like public education and college studies down to a single perceived problem...
     
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    That wasn't my intent, I was just adding onto the pile that without a motivated and determined student having the best resources available doesn't achieve as much

    When you have students graduating high school they can't read and write properly it's a two to tango situation
     
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    How many kids regarding education are 'motivated and determined'?
     
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    http://TheEducationFraud.wordpress.com

    Incidentally, I have read and critically reviewed Al Gore's book Earth In the Balance.

    His ignorance and hypocrisy shine through like a quasar. A well-worn copy of it was found in the rathole cabin of the Unabomber. They are like-minded neurotics.
     
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    Your cited screed is ridiculous. It's selection of uncited polls, quotes out of context and purposeful ignorance of the points being made use no more than innuendo to support a preconceived conclusion.
     
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    Nobel Laureate Milton Friedman did. "Public education is a socialist monopoly, a real one."
     
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    From Earth in the Balance by Al Gore

    P 19: “I was standing in the sun on a hot steel deck… We were anchored…”

    [Not exactly. For as Gore said a sentence later, “there was nothing but hot dry sand in all directions.” The Aral Sea had long since receded from this place, and a stranded boat is not said to be “anchored.” One “anchors” only in water. Nobody has a boat “anchored“ in his back yard.]

    P 30: “… with the addition of one China’s worth of people every ten years….”

    [“One China’s worth of people.” Liberals can get by with such verbal abuses. “Neocons” never can. Can you spell “potatoe”?]

    P 47 “Aficionados of the symphony, for example, recognize a crescendo as the point of maximum instability in a piece of music…”

    [ I happen to be an aficionado of the symphony, and I know that “crescendo” means the gradual increase in volume. Nor is a crescendo a “point” but rather quite a wide range. Maurice Ravel wrote an entire piece in crescendo, called “Bolero.”]


    P 48: “Relativity Theory can easily be explained with the help of a picture..”

    [Gore illustrates the funnel of a black hole. Physics made simple.]


    On page 110, Gore laments the Sacramento River delta “sinking about three inches each year, perhaps because it is getting less sediment.” So you see, erosion is bad in Memphis (page 3) and India (page 120) , but “getting less sediment” is bad in California. Liberals have finely tuned their “Bad Both Ways” dialogue. For example, liberals opine that Third world countries are terrible polluters. They rape and plunder the environment while their citizens barely subsist. America is likewise terrible for precisely the opposite reason - we “consume” far too much. Bad both ways, rich or poor, sediment or none.

    P 124 The desert is “fragile.” Mountain areas are “delicate.” Giant rivers are filling up with silt.“ Yes, yes, everyplace on earth is a “delicate ecosystem,” from barren deserts to swamps. How DID they all persist for eons then?

    P 146 “Each person in the U.S. produces an average of twenty tons of CO2 each year.”

    Al produces far more than this with his globetrotting to Russia, Antarctica, the Arctic Ocean, Amazon Rain Forest, Equatorial Africa, Caribbean, Kenya, Louisiana, Atlanta, and even Mount Rainier where he flew his son on Air Force 2 for his birthday.
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    P 162 “Throwing away children: nothing could better illustrate my strong belief that the worst of all forms of pollution is wasted lives!”

    This from a Baptist hypocrite who preaches the Bible to us and who “has always supported” abortion.


    P 171 “The Constitution … is still universally recognized as the world’s most forward-looking charter for self-government.”

    BUT: “Perhaps the most sluggish of all, after our political system, is our system of economics.” ( P 181)

    P 297 Third World countries should no longer pay “huge sums of interest on old debts” because “revolutionary tensions build uncontrollably” thereby.

    Thus does Mr. Gore promote the very socialism he strongly and repeatedly denounced.


    P 298 “…the resounding philosophical defeat of communism has left an ideological vacuum…”



    But: “What a striking contrast between the awesome power and efficiency of our economic system displayed in its philosophical rout of Marxism-Leninism and the abject failure of the very same system to even take note of the poisoning of our water, the fouling of our air, the destruction of tens of thousands of living species every year.” (P 185)

    The Constitution is great, but it’s not. Capitalism is great, but it’s not. Are you following this flunkout from divinity school? On Page 75, Gore referred derisively to “blind laissez-faire economics.” Here it’s a “philosophical rout.”

    Remember when Gore and Company called the Constitution “antiquated” after he lost the 2000 presidential election? I do.

    Moreover where does he get this “tens of thousands of “ extinctions “every year”!

    It’s quite impossible.
     
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    Wow - I guess you really hate Gore.

    But, the topic here is climate change.

    So, go start a thread about "I hate Gore" and post your drivel there.
     
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    Are the sources of carbon dioxide the industrial centers of the world? Not exactly.
    They are the rotting vegetation in equatorial rain forests.

    [​IMG]
     
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    First, you should post a link to your sources.

    More importantly, Earth has natural cycles involving CO2. Plants take up CO2. Then, they die and oxidize (rot, fire), releasing that CO2.

    What mankind is doing is digging up fossil carbon and pumping it into the atmosphere. That is not part of a cycle and it increases the amount of CO2 in our atmosphere.

    This pumping of fossil CO2 into our atmosphere only has to affect the natural balance of Earth's production and consumption. Like a child's teeter-totter, the balance can be affected by small additions.

    All we need to do to change Earth's temperature is to affect the balance. We don't have to overpower the sun. We don't have to produce more greenhouse gasses than are naturally produced - we just have to affect the balance of Earth's natural production and natural consumption of these gasses.

    Science says that is exactly what we are doing. And, therefore the Earth is warming.
     
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