U.S. Death Toll Tops 250,000

A positive PCR is not even a positive COVID-19 case anyway

 

And Covid-19 is a clinical syndrome, not a positive SARS-COV-2 PCR

 

Oh... I see. So you believe it's Ok for Trump to kill people through his inaction and incompetence. So let me ask you this. Using your ... uhmm... "logic" (if we can loosely call it that), was it Ok for Ted Bundy to kill women because... you know... women "die every year"?

Allow me to be the first to congratulate you on the well earned the prize for most idiotic argument of the season. You had very strong competitors but... it doesn't look like anybody could top your post.... Your argument takes all three categories: lack of logic, lack of facts and lack of moral principles.

(Disclaimer: This comment is a reflection on the argument. We don't know anything about the poster personally to judge them one way or the other. So that judgement is left exclusively to the reader.)

 

I think you are putting words into Squidward's mouth.

That is common in such discussions. When the debate is lost, make silly claims and pretend they have meaning.

 

As any moderately intelligent person understands, that means that DeSantis is allowing those to stay open (and forcing public schools).

Try harder...

They sure do vary. People who hang around dumb people are way more propense. Case in point: Trump rallies, the WH, the Trump family, the Giuliani family, ... and soooo many examples. However, I have no idea what relevance you think "varying wildly" has. They have varied wildly from country to country, for example. It's why we know that our country had the worst response of all.

Which is exactly what Trump and DeSantis are doing.

 

What words did I put in his/her mouth?

The poster defends Trump with the argument "Yes, old people die every year, in droves, " So if dying in droves "every year" is an argument to justify incompetence, why is it not an argument to justify EVERYTHING that leads to death... including murder? If not murder... say, for example, incompetence in aircraft manufacturers to follow safety guidelines. Or incompetence in food manufacturers to avoid contamination....

Respond! If you can... I'm guessing you can't.

 

You completely ignored every single basic question I asked. Did you not see the BLM rallies with people NOT wearing masks or social distancing since March? Probably not if you only watch CNN. Did you not see people partying it up on top of one another for Biden? PROBABLY NOT. Mask or no mask, if you’re yelling right next to someone that is completely irresponsible and you KNOW IT!!!

There is NOTHING wrong with Desantis allowing businesses to stay open. If they want to shutter down they have that option. FREE WILL!!! Choice! If people don’t want to go to said businesses they can choose not to and stay safe. Cases in FL are certainly no worse than CA and NY. Our deaths are still lower than them and our economy doing far better. So please explain what Desantis did worse than the clowns up in the NE or out west? He has done far better than those geniuses. How did a Covid spread in blue states with few Trump supporters? Don’t be so partisan and dishonest.

Cmon science man. Tell me the death rate of Covid and the Flu in children. CMON!!! Do it man. Tell us how much deadlier it is Mr. Science. Cmon!!! Tell us the death rate of 20yr olds compared to 80yr olds. Tell us Mr. Science!!! Tell us the logic in shutting down EVERYTHING FOR EVERYONE when Covid is far more dangerous for some than others.

And if you want to compare countries how is it spreading AGAIN in EU? Explain. They locked down didn’t they? Uuuum. No. It all of EU. How is it surging again? Explain Mr Science. I know Trump is all Powerful and controls the world, but HOW? How can EU be experiencing any surge because they’re so responsible and don’t have Trump
destroying them?
https://www.newsweek.com/coronaviru...-spain-itlay-sweden-covid-19-pandemic-1539779

 

No, i think you naively believe you can stop a respiratory virus

 

Proof?

 

What, specifically, do you think Trump is doing that is killing people? What should he be doing? Why, exactly, is he killing people all over the world?

 

Yes. What is your point?

I watch CNN, MSNBC, Fox and local networks. They all showed the marches. Outdoors and a handful of people not wearing mask. And some not keeping social distancing. They also showed Trump rallies. Relatively few people wearing masks and some of them indoors. And NOBODY keeping social distancing. Except Trump before he got infected. After that, Trump just infecting everybody.

Your point?

 

There is a lot wrong. People died needlessly. Indoor bars should NEVER have been opened. Or schools. Or movie theaters. Our idiot governor allowed that. And now we are starting seeing the curve go up again because of it.

The "choice" to let people die is not free will.

You continue showing that you have no clue how the pandemic works. What "choice" do the children of those idiots who went to bars have? What "choice" do their teachers who were force by DeSantis to teach them at schools.

Look. Before anybody can expect to have a serious discussion with you, you need to educate yourself on how pandemics in general work. And how this one in particular behaves.

Otherwise you're going to continue saying nonsense like that.

They locked down, and cases in most EU countries, there were days with ZERO cases. So they opened up, and cases started going up. Especially as winter started kicking in (as experts foretold). Now they shut down again and the curve seems to be stabilizing. Though it's unlikely it would go down in winter. Again: you need to educate yourself on how pandemics work.

Look. There might be NO NEED to shut down here. If the people in charge had any brains whatsoever. Mandatory masks, and a campaign to educate people, most of which are clueless (as you have demonstrated) as to why those things are necessary MIGHT (maybe yes... maybe no...) make shutting down unnecessary without killing hundreds of thousands of Americans.

We don't know what could have been accomplished. Because we have idiot governors like DeSantis and others who refuse to do the rational thing. And when you learn a bit more about pandemics you will understand why these governors' actions have a ripple effect that affect ALL the states. Especially the most populated ones (NY, CA, TX, IL, ...) regardless of whether their governors do the right thing or not.

I urge you to read a little... at least about pandemics in a country that has no internal boarder patrols, and in which people move freely from one state to another, before you try to respond. Because if you don't, you'll keep making absurd statements like "People can just stay home". Ridiculous!

 

Playing golf instead of doing his job.

Listening to his own health experts and taking the actions necessary to implement their recommendations.

Who said anything about "all over the world"?

 

the "incompetence" part is your personal editorial.

 

Fauci himself has stated that once 35 cycles of the PCR test are run, the amount of amplification renders the results meaningless.
All US labs run 40 to 45.

 

And your was that that didn't matter because.... let me quote you directly, because I do understand that the poster I was responding to thought the statement was too outrageous to be true.... quoting you: "...old people die every year, in droves..."

Not even if I tried could I have made up such an idiotic statement.

(Disclaimer: This comment is a reflection on the argument the poster made. We don't know enough about the poster personally to judge them one way or the other. So that judgement is left exclusively to the person who reads their statement.)

 

Yes they do.
Your little personsl editorial of "incompetence" has no bearing on that

 

Crap, I've been killing people for years and didn't even know it.

Again, like what? Specifics please.
Do you think Biden's plan is better? It's the same as anyone's; wear a mask, social distance, etc. The one thing that Biden does want to do different is to sent 100,000 people to people's houses to contact trace. What could go wrong with sending a bunch of people to everyone's house when they have been to a lot of other people's houses? By the way, here is his plan incase you think there is a golden bullet in there: https://joebiden.com/covid19/

People are dying all over the world and numbers are skyrocketing all over the world. If Trump is at fault here, then he must be at fault everywhere else too.

 

Recognizing or saying that humans die in droves every year is not an argument to justify incompetence, it is merely a stating of the obvious.

Claiming that government action prevents or can prevent humans from dying in droves every year is an absurd statement, a sort of fantasy or propaganda offered by government apologists. The easiest way for the US government to stop droves of people from dying would be to end the drone program or the global war of terror.

It is pure sophistry to opine that government mask mandates or lockdowns will stop people from passing on.

 

Knowledge of the many failures of the test is required. A good example was provided two weeks ago by Elon Musk taking 4 tests within 24 hours and having 2 positive and 2 negative. He felt he was probably infected.

Not just to the failures of the test, but also to the corruption of the humans administering the test, there are many stories regarding people who signed up for a test, never took it because they were tired of waiting, who received positive results.

Call that anecdotal if you wish, but that doesn't make it false.

 

So you fantasize about being President?

Unlike you, I don't fantasize about being President. But experts have publicly given hints as to what they have recommended Trump. Not talking is likely top of the list for him. But if he is, make sure every word promotes the use of masks, social distancing, and no unnecessary activity out of the house. And, above all, not lie!

About 90% of what Trump could have done (or not said), it's already too late. There are many threads in the "Coronavirus" forums as to what that is (invoke the war act to . Biden has pretty much outlined what needs to be done now to try to solve the mess Trump got us in, and save as many as possible of the lives that Trump

That's like asking if mom and dad's gifts on Christmas are "better" than Santa Claus'. It's "better" in that it exists. Whereas Trump's doesn't.

No, it's not.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-mocks-fox-news-host-laura-ingraham-face-mask-rally-2020-10
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/10/02/trump-biden-masks-debate-dpx-vpx-sot.cnn
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kadiagoba/trump-coronavirus-masks-campaign-rally
https://www.nbcnews.com/video/trump-mocks-reporter-for-wearing-face-mask-in-oval-office-94509637924

Wake up!

What nonsense! There is nothing in Biden's plan about sending "100 thousand people to people's houses". But if anybody were to go to a house for contact tracing, you can be sure that they will not be like the dummies at Trump's events (including Trump himself) who don't wear a mask. They will be trained people who follow a protocol.

Absolutely! It doesn't include Trump. That, in and of itself, should save thousands of lives that would have been lost if Trump had been reelected. Listening to scientists is a huge step forward too. And holding those responsible for this debacle is certainly a big plus.

Uhmmm... that's a pretty dumb statement. Trump is responsible for the worst response in the world to coronavirus. And for over 130 thousand (and counting) lives lost.

(Disclaimer: the above comment refers to the poster's statement. Not personally to the poster themselves. Since we don't know the poster in real life, that judgement is left to the reader)

 

That is nonsense! There is no reason to state the obvious if it's not meant as an argument.

If that's the best excuse you can come up with, then you have proven my case.

And yet again you have proven my case. You are stating that the government not forcing airplane manufacturers to place safety before profits, or not allow food manufacturers to sell products that are safe... are "fantasy or propaganda"

I know the concept is that "government is the enemy". Which is extremist right-wing nonsense at it's worst.

Ok. So all this was for you to let us know that you have no idea how this pandemic spreads. And even less what the remedies are.

Got it! Thanks anyway.

 

Like all the democrats that ignore their own dictates? Pelosi, Newsom, Lightfoot to name a few.

 

Maybe we should have followed NYs plan and caused 2x as much economic destruction, and far more deaths? It’s fascist to force people to lose their businesses when it’s unnecessary.

Show where FL is doing worse than NY. Don’t just type an opinion. SHOW IT!!! What lives were saved in NY? Show the policy that was better. People are fleeing NY. People aren’t fleeing FL. They’re coming in droves.

Educate yourself. It’s so embarrassing. You’re so programmed to repeat idiotic talking points from CNN and MSNBC. Or paid to do it? Your handle matches your behavior you show here. A goblin troll. Is that on purpose? Because that’s what you do here day in and day out.

 

So it's been a normal flu season?