UK must accept free movement says EU

That the EUR was in trouble is correct, but if you think that GBP is harder currency, then I will let you stay in this fairy tale ...
I have no problem if 1 GBP will cost 2 or more EUR, will be good AGAINST imports of the UK, because to expensive

 

After Brexit, we will have full control. At the moment, 500 million EU residents could move to the UK if they wanted to. In future we will be able to choose who can arrive.

There will be no problem with Scotland or NI.
Scots have been polled and would rather be in the UK than in the EU -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...idents-want-Scotland-independent-country.html

We are already in preliminary trade talks with countries outside the EU who are keen to set up deals with the UK.

Happy days will come.

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After Brexit, we will have full control. At the moment, 500 million EU residents could move to the UK if they wanted to. In future we will be able to choose who can arrive.

There will be no problem with Scotland or NI.
Scots have been polled and would rather be in the UK than in the EU -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3715574/Scots-want-remain-UK-New-blow-Nicola-Sturgeon-poll-reveals-half-residents-want-Scotland-independent-country.html

We are already in preliminary trade talks with countries outside the EU who are keen to set up deals with the UK.

Happy days will come.

 

A low pound makes it easier to export from the UK.

If goods from overseas are more expensive then we should look at buying UK made products where possible.

The EU should consider that any threat to impose tariffs will damage German car manufacturers for example. We could switch to buying Japanese cars instead.

 

nothing you have posted is fact or truth.

Fact, the British Government did not have the legal right to sign a free movement of people treaty without a referendum. Precedents show that the British constitution (which may not be written and formalised in the same way as the American constitution is presented) but which is, nevertheless, enshrined and codified in the Magna Carta (1215 ), the Petition of Right (1628 ), the Bill of Rights (1689 ) and the Act of Settlement (1701 ) requires Parliament to consult the electorate directly where constitutional change which would affect their political sovereignty is in prospect. (The 1689 Bill of Rights contains the following oath: `I do declare that no foreign prince, person, prelate, state or potentate hath or ought to have jurisdiction, power, superiority, pre-eminence or authority within this Realm.' Since this Bill has not been repealed it is clear that every treaty Britain has signed with the EU has been illegal.)

Initially the Freedom of movement was restricted to workers, this was gradually expanded to include ALL persons.

Nobody has said that any person who is currently legally in the UK will be asked to leave .. that is just a piece of BS propaganda, all that the UK government has said is that they will not guarantee it until other EU member states do the same thing for UK migrants.

This is a failure of successive UK governments and supermarket chains forcing farmers to accept lower and lower prices for their produce I grew up in the country and spent most of my school holidays working on local farms along with many, many other kids of my age and seasonal travelling workers (usually from the gypsy community), what has happened in the UK is that each generation has expected to be maintained by the state instead of, at least, working for a living .. even if that meant the state topping up income.

Your personal anecdotes are evidence of nothing, I am a 1st generation immigrant (my father was German) and apart from the minority of stupid people, my father, mother, and siblings were all accepted with no issues in the UK. Just as the many who are currently here are accepted. The UK has a very long history of actively seeking migrants and accepting other cultures into our society .. including recruitment drives in the Caribbean in the 1950's. The current situation is not one of not wanting ANY immigration, it is the issue of being able to control that immigration ie being able to accept migrants to fill jobs that the UK has a shortage of people to fill, so if we require 5,000 land-workers then we can get 5,000 land-workers, where as if we don't require plumbers then we don't have to accept plumbers.

British people have been emigrating to other countries for far longer than the EU has existed, just as other nationalities have been emigrating to the UK for far longer than the EU existed ... they did not need the freedom of movement to do that.

More rubbish.

You have zero understanding of the reality, the EU has - depending on how it is counted - 109 trade agreements with countries outside the EU. Over 100 have no “free movement of people” clause. One example, the proposed and controversial EU - US Trade Agreement (known as TTIP) has NO free movement clause, and if you think that German car manufactures are going to allow the EU to impose restrictions on the UK when it could cost them dearly, and let us say that the EU decided to impose tariffs on the UK, then we would do the same back and it would cost the EU far more than it would cost us furthermore they would be bound by WTO rules which would mean very low or even zero tariffs on most of British exports, even the EU's own regulations states that they cannot impose punitive restrictions on a nation that decides to leave .. are you suggesting that the EU will go against it's own rules and against the WHO?

Nope, no a chance in hell of the UK being split . .again you need to actually research a subject before making a comment that is 100% wrong .. neither Scotland or NI can call a referendum on their UK membership unless Westminster say they can .. no matter how much they whine and screech about it. Holyrood would need Westminster’s legislative approval to stage an official referendum, as it did in 2014, and that is simply not going to happen.

 

And you got that most of agricultural goods are imported by the UK from the EU? Well ... makes them more expensive and so your cost of living will be more expensive then, eh?

 

Wrong! Nice that I knoiw more about your constitution as you … who can again by law and constitution say that the referendum is irrelevant because why? Read again your own constitution please, before writing such rubbish!

And what is wrong with it … aside general unwell to take any immigrants in the UK, no matter from where coming?

Not? Read the BS blabbering of Farage during campaign again please!
Anyway, what is anger then when the last Premier idiot still worked out with Brussel an extra cherry picking by reducing any immigration form the EU with the social law and NHS access etc.?


This is a failure of successive UK governments and supermarket chains forcing farmers to accept lower and lower prices for their produce I grew up in the country and spent most of my school holidays working on local farms along with many, many other kids of my age and seasonal travelling workers (usually from the gypsy community), what has happened in the UK is that each generation has expected to be maintained by the state instead of, at least, working for a living .. even if that meant the state topping up income.

Good for you and some have sometimes luck as you… but you know that immigration is not something you can hire and fire or order / reject like goods?

Sure, immigration was ever and always, but the thinking behind the free movement is to handle the EU as one country … means to move from Poland to the UK should be the same as it is to move from Florida to California in the USA.
Obviously you and many other in the UK are not willing this and so OK, leave the EU as you did and make your own full immigration laws which have to be accepted by others, as the UK has to accept the laws of the EU

WRONG … and rubbish form your side!
Of course it will be a hard negotiation and discussion at least, but again:

The so hated flood of EU legislations has to be followed same way as it has to be followed by Norway or Switzerland and anyone else from outside the EU.
Any cherry picking by the UK is excluded …. Right now!

Sure … correct is that Westminster has to agree for it, but do you really think they will stay against the will of the people? We will see … and you will be wondering in my opinion.

 

A majority of Scots would rather be in the UK than independent and in the EU -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...idents-want-Scotland-independent-country.html

 

Britain does not have a codified constitution but an unwritten one formed of Acts of Parliament, court judgements and conventions, and you amply display your ignorance of the subject with everything you write.

Reality is that the UK government did not have the legal right to sign ANY treaty agreement with the EU if it meant constitutional change which would affect political sovereignty.

When Heath decided to take Britain into the Common Market, he used Parliament's legal sovereignty to deny and permanently limit the political sovereignty of the electorate. Heath and Parliament changed the basic rules and they did not have the right (legal or moral) to do that. The 1972 European Communities Bill wasn't just another Act of Parliament. Heath's Bill used Parliament's legal sovereignty, and status as representative of the electorate, to deny the fundamental rights of the electorate. Rights that are lain down in the 1689 Bill of Rights.

It was legislation from the bench, Judges making decisions on things they had no mandate to decide upon . .workers means "a person who works", where as the court decided that workers meant any person.

You keep on with this false narrative concerning the UK and immigrants where as history proves you 100% wrong.

I have and no where does he say anything about forcing settled immigrants to leave the UK.

Immigration can be controlled, what people like you seem to miss is that the issue is not to stop immigration totally, it is to be under control of it .. if immigration goes up then so be it .. at least it is going up because the UK wants it to go up and is not being forced upon us by a bunch a idiots in Brussels.

and as the UK leaves the EU it will not be a part of that "country" therefore the EU treaties concerning freedom of movement should not apply to the UK and neither should we be forced to adopt it as blackmail for access to the EU market.

We do not have to accept the laws of the EU, that is what negotiations are all about ... the EU will suffer far more than the UK if they attempt to place punitive restrictions onto trade .. There are currently 27 countries seeking trade deals with the UK since Brexit -

Australia
Argentina
Bolivia
Brazil
Canada
Chile
China
Colombia
Ecuador
Germany
Ghana
Iceland
India
Ireland
Japan
Kenya
Korea (Republic of)
Mexico
New Zealand
Pakistan
Paraguay
Peru
Suriname
Switzerland
United States
Uruguay
Venezuela

More than enough to fill the space left if the EU dig their heels in.

nope, everything I have written is 100% accurate .. do some research and stop your ignorance.

And you are 100% wrong, there are over 100 countries that have trade agreements with the EU that have no freedom of movement clause, neither do they have to follow EU regulations, sure there are tariffs imposed, but on average these tariffs run at around 1-2% and would be the same in both directions.

The EU by its own laws CANNOT impose punitive restrictions onto a leaving country. The Lisbon Treaty requires the EU to negotiate favourable trade deals with neighbouring countries, and even if the EU decided to ignore its own rules the principle of non-discrimination requires WTO members not to treat any member less advantageously than any other: grant one country preferential treatment, and the same must be done for everyone else. The MFN (Most favoured Nation) tariff is currently set at approx 1.9%

As far as the UK government is concerned Scotland already had it's referendum and they voted to remain part of the UK, problem is that people like Nicola Sturgeon treat Scotland like it is an independent country when it is not .. if she thinks that 5 million people can hold 53 million people to ransom by use of blackmail then she is in for a shock, and in the end even if they do get another vote and decide to leave they will become the Greece of Northern Europe .. that is assuming that the remaining 27 EU countries vote to let them join, and with the current crash in oil prices Scotland is currently running a deficit larger than the rest of the UK put together.

 

We have plenty of farmland to grow our own stuff if it comes to it, and despite the population increasing from 35 million in 1900 to an estimated 63 million today, Britain has been able to massively increase the proportion of home produced food since 1900 which suggests that Britain is capable of producing far more food than it does.

Part of the problem is the massive restrictions placed on UK farmers by the EU eg. Britain could be more than self-sufficient in dairy products, but is restricted by the EU to producing even enough to meet her own needs.

 

What a load of old tosh!

This pathetic argument that we must be within the EU to have a say. Well Britain is the most outvoted member of the EU 55/55 times we have been out voted, because the EU promotes laws with which we profoundly disagree :

https://fullfact.org/europe/how-often-does-eu-overrule-british-ministers/

As for EU naionals taking low paid jobs that British workers won't take. To some extent that is true, but only a %. There are many jobs that have been lost in the skilled sector to EU immigration. That would not have been lost if cheap labour from the EU had been forced upon Britain. As for the low paid workers. Well that is a consequence of our genorous benifits system. Are you suggesting that we make cuts to benifits?

As for free movement... Well I think that could come back & bite us.. Mostly UK emmigrants to Europe are retired people & EU immigrants into the UK are young workers.

But I really don't care if there is a financial impact. Truely I don't & I don't think you even have the slightest understanding why I & millions like me don't care.

We British are a sovereign people & the idea of an EU commision that makes laws where we can not vote those law makers out & have those laws repealed is an anathema.

You are a slave monkey we are like many 100's of other Nations around the World & want our own sovereignty. I can't remeber who it was that said "self government is better than good government" & whether our self government is better than your slave-monkey EU government is a debatable fact. It still makes no difference to us.

Get out of our affairs & keep your pro-German pro-Corporate fascist ideas to yourself & we shall do just fine without you.

 

There soon won't even be a bloody 'EUR'! It was never a good idea and now its days are numbered. If I were you I'd start converting my Euro assets into US dollars ASAP.

 

Only if we keep buying them.

 

Run out of BS to post have you, or are evading

Britain does not have a codified constitution but an unwritten one formed of Acts of Parliament, court judgements and conventions, and you amply display your ignorance of the subject with everything you write.

Reality is that the UK government did not have the legal right to sign ANY treaty agreement with the EU if it meant constitutional change which would affect political sovereignty.

When Heath decided to take Britain into the Common Market, he used Parliament's legal sovereignty to deny and permanently limit the political sovereignty of the electorate. Heath and Parliament changed the basic rules and they did not have the right (legal or moral) to do that. The 1972 European Communities Bill wasn't just another Act of Parliament. Heath's Bill used Parliament's legal sovereignty, and status as representative of the electorate, to deny the fundamental rights of the electorate. Rights that are lain down in the 1689 Bill of Rights.

It was legislation from the bench, Judges making decisions on things they had no mandate to decide upon . .workers means "a person who works", where as the court decided that workers meant any person.

You keep on with this false narrative concerning the UK and immigrants where as history proves you 100% wrong.

I have and no where does he say anything about forcing settled immigrants to leave the UK.

Immigration can be controlled, what people like you seem to miss is that the issue is not to stop immigration totally, it is to be under control of it .. if immigration goes up then so be it .. at least it is going up because the UK wants it to go up and is not being forced upon us by a bunch a idiots in Brussels.

and as the UK leaves the EU it will not be a part of that "country" therefore the EU treaties concerning freedom of movement should not apply to the UK and neither should we be forced to adopt it as blackmail for access to the EU market.

We do not have to accept the laws of the EU, that is what negotiations are all about ... the EU will suffer far more than the UK if they attempt to place punitive restrictions onto trade .. There are currently 27 countries seeking trade deals with the UK since Brexit -

Australia
Argentina
Bolivia
Brazil
Canada
Chile
China
Colombia
Ecuador
Germany
Ghana
Iceland
India
Ireland
Japan
Kenya
Korea (Republic of)
Mexico
New Zealand
Pakistan
Paraguay
Peru
Suriname
Switzerland
United States
Uruguay
Venezuela

More than enough to fill the space left if the EU dig their heels in.

nope, everything I have written is 100% accurate .. do some research and stop your ignorance.

Of course it will be a hard negotiation and discussion at least, but again:

And you are 100% wrong, there are over 100 countries that have trade agreements with the EU that have no freedom of movement clause, neither do they have to follow EU regulations, sure there are tariffs imposed, but on average these tariffs run at around 1-2% and would be the same in both directions.

The EU by its own laws CANNOT impose punitive restrictions onto a leaving country. The Lisbon Treaty requires the EU to negotiate favourable trade deals with neighbouring countries, and even if the EU decided to ignore its own rules the principle of non-discrimination requires WTO members not to treat any member less advantageously than any other: grant one country preferential treatment, and the same must be done for everyone else. The MFN (Most favoured Nation) tariff is currently set at approx 1.9%

As far as the UK government is concerned Scotland already had it's referendum and they voted to remain part of the UK, problem is that people like Nicola Sturgeon treat Scotland like it is an independent country when it is not .. if she thinks that 5 million people can hold 53 million people to ransom by use of blackmail then she is in for a shock, and in the end even if they do get another vote and decide to leave they will become the Greece of Northern Europe .. that is assuming that the remaining 27 EU countries vote to let them join, and with the current crash in oil prices Scotland is currently running a deficit larger than the rest of the UK put together.

 

I don't think Scotland could afford to pay the subscriptions without big-time cutbacks of public spending, such as free prescriptions and university education.

 

It is worse than that! True they couldn't afford to spend the money & they would not be allowed to borrow the money under the EU's stability & Growth pact; which demands each nation state keeps its spending to under 3% of GDP. Scotland is currently running a 9.7% GDP deficit.

All this crap from the SNP that they would be better off in the EU will be exposed & the people of Scotland that have not really had any sensible debate about continued EU membership should they leave the UK will come to light & the people of Scotland will vote in their millions to stay away from the EU.

 

Thanks for that insightful post, lune. What a hoot it would be if Scotland went all-out to join the club only to find that it couldn't afford to be a member of it eh? I guess they'd come running to us to help them out?

 

No problem "brother" as an Englishman living in Scotland it has fallen to myslef & like minded Scots to inform the ignorant SNP voters of the truth about the EU & expose the SNP lies.

 

Keep up the good work mate, they obviously need your nous.

 

This is why Scots want to be independent - to save themselves from such ignorant dross. "the Greece of Northern Europe"? Really?

 

Greece could get EU membership and did.
Scotland can't.
Too big a deficit. Too unstable an economy even for the EU. Which isn't a good look.


On the plus front, the EU has seen sense and now recognises that the UK = 1/4 of it's total export market and now wants to play ball with us after all.
What a surprise. How unshocked we all are about that.

No surprise at all that Northern Europe now wants to leave with us and start something smaller.
But I don't want them any more. They can go their own way too.

 

We should cut loose from Scotland then they'll realise how much they need us.

 

Scotland don't need y'all fer nuthin'
Scotland needs UK about as much as Ireland does.

 

I disagree. Scotland is socially and economically tied to the rest of the UK and to a large extent so is the ROI.
I should also point out that Scotland would not be financially solvent in the event of independence which was also debated during the recent referendum.
But that being said I'd like to know how you came to form your opinion

 

Scots don't want to be Independent of the UK. If you have any evidence to prove your comment than post & don't be surprised if I then post a 55-45 % referendum result to show you lie.

 

Scotland if it was fooled to follow the SNP lies in the 2014 referendum & became Independent would now be Greece North. Slaves to the EU "stability & growth" pact, slaves to TTIP & have the German Panza banks parked all over our lawn.

Down with the SNP, down with the EU & down with the liars that say being within the EU is to the advantage of the Scots.. These are the biggest liars around to-day. The SNP want to see TTIP. The SNP actually hate the Scots & want Corporatism to govern Scotland.