US CHINA in Shock as India gets Military Base in Indonesia

What about Trump?
What about ICE agents?
America is starting to look totalitarian to my outside eyes.

 

I love Oregon... not putting up with that **** in their state.
Filming them so they **** off in their van.

 

Okay, I'm looking at China. What is it you want me to see?

 

US said china is not a threat/friend etc etc in 80s. they said the same about india now, that we can use them to counter china, like we did in 80s to counter USSR. like india don't have its own ambitions/interest.

 

Please give me a US Government executive branch source for your assertions about China in the 1980's. both that China is not a threat and that they are a friend. Not that I doubt these things were said I want to see who in the executive branch said them and in what context.

You do realize that I haven't asserted that the US can or should use the Indians to counter China, right? Any claim you make to the contrary I will call you on. Words mean things and I won't allow anyone at PF forums to slander me by making false attributions or put words into my mouth.

 

From their comments such as, "China is just waiting for our troops to leave".

Did I misunderstand that?

And the domino theory is proven, the fact you even question it is rather astounding.

You know it actually happened don't you?

Well I guess not.

 

I don't think China cares so much about S. Korea, but they don't want us on their doorstep. It's kind of like Cuba and the Russians.

 

no need we sell bunch weapon to china in the 80s and allow our allies to sell them weapons too, that's the biggest prove we were in friendly term with them in 80s. If we think they were a threat we wont sell them weapons in those time right?

as for india to counter china, where do you think the word "indo-pacific" come from in recent years.

 

So you can't back up your assertions. No doubt they figments of your imagination. You are not a serious poster. The US has never sold weapons to the Peoples Republic of China.

 

lol so you don't have any counter argument on this, so you try to divert the topic. even though when I point out US and its allies were selling weapons to china in 80s. I mean would you give someone your gun if you think they are a threat. US treat china in 80s just like how we treat India now, back then China was weak, and wasn't a threat to US. in 20 years india could be another china if their economy reach higher.

 

You have been unable to prove the US ever sold weapons to PRC. Until you do that you are only posting silly nonsense. Prove the US has sold weapons to PRC and I'll take you more seriously.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/1981/06/17/world/us-decides-to-sell-weapons-to-china-in-policy-reversal.html

Suggest u do some search on google "US arm sell to china in 80s"
https://www.heritage.org/report/the-dilemma-us-arms-sales-beijing

 

I don't see it as a biggie, but I got curious and this is the first I found.

Until the 1980s China was proscribed by U.S. policy from receiving any military items whatsoever. Americans had spilled blood in combat against Chinese forces in Korea, had fought in part to contain China in a long and bitter war in Vietnam, and were not about to assist militarily a real or potential enemy. By the late 1970s, however, what had begun years earlier with the Sino- Soviet split and the subsequent opening to China under the Nixon Administration, crystallized into a major strategic realignment of China. Beijing not only normalized relations with the United States and other Western nations, but also further distanced itself from Moscow in wide areas of human endeavor-political, economic and military.
These sweeping changes soon impacted strongly on American arms transfer policy. In March 1980, the Department of State issued Munitions Control Newsletter No. 81 (MC81), opening the People's Republic of China for the first time to exports of combat support equipment such as trucks, recovery vehicles, certain cargo/personnel-type aircraft and helicopters, some training and communications equipment, and airborne cameras. The following month, the licensing of civilian goods with possible military use (so-called dual-use items) was facilitated by the creation of a new and unique category, P, for China under commodity control export regulations administered by the Department of Commerce. The new policy permitted exports at a significantly higher level of technology than those for most other communist countries, although certain important restrictions were established:
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http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a497047.pdf

 

Okay, good job. You are half-way there. Now cite for me what combat WEAPONS were sold to China as a result of this decision. Remember you said the US sold WEAPONS to the PRC, not trucks, not cargo helicopters, not radios, not cameras but weapons. What weapons were they?

 

I refer you to my post #40

 

Nope the fall of Vietnam didn't result the neighboring countries going Communist. And guess you can't find any actual source for your waiting for US troops to leave claim. Just repeating the same nonsense doesn't actually lend it any validity. A quote from any true liberal spokesman will suffice.

 

India and the US are natural allies against china

 

You don't understand what the domino effect is.

It was the spread of communism unopposed.

We opposed it in Vietnam and communism paid a heavy price to win that victory.

That means that the USSR found it too difficult to keep spreading its ideology and stopped.

Had we not opposed them in Vietnam they would have easily taken over nation after nation but since they would have had another Vietnam every time they stopped trying.

What are you thinking here, one country flips and the rest just automatically do without any outside influence?

lol

 

Trains are quicker than ships,too.

 

The US doesn't have many friends under Trump.

 

We dont have to like or dislike the Indians as long as we share mutual interests

 

Oh How We Disagree.

The Domino Effect was a lying sales job on and the West.
partners recognized it first and would not "play with us" in Vietnam.
Vietnam, like Afghanistan does not tolerate occupation.
Not by the French, the Japanese, nor and certainly not the USSR.

Burn In Hell George Kennan!

 

South Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos all fell to the domino theory.

It was only our intervention that contained the problem to that region.

Later the Indonesian Communist Party was literally obliterated by CIA supported death squads.

Our goal wasn't to "win" the war in Vietnam, it was to contain the problem there, which we did.

 

So India has a new military base, a space program and a navy.
Why then do they still have their hands in the US taxpayers pocket?
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...t-of-US-economic-aid/articleshow/48093123.cms