US tanks arrive in Germany to help Nato defences

You're quite wrong.

The US must overthrow the Syrian government in order to gain control of Syria and deny Russia the use of Syrian ports and forward operating bases for aircraft.

Syria is the last country in the Mediterranean that is an ally of Russia.

 

Poland is two countries away.

 

That's largely in parcel the reason for breaking it up. Let's suppose we keep it together. Let's suppose the revival of the Third Position doesn't occur, we all join the Left and we're all happy go lucky people. Is the economy stronger in the short term? Most definitely, until another crash which will bring us ALL down.

Here's the vulnerability that comes with joining other people(and other nations): When that person(or nation) goes down, the rest goes down with it. A fact you point out, just by linking us with the EU's economy. In fact, that's how the Great Depression started!

I'm not saying we should be isolationist. I'm saying we should take a look at the short and long-term prospects of a deal and see if it makes sense. Also, we should avoid the kind of 'organizations' that end up creating the kind of monopolies that when they break down, that's when crises's happen.

We humans, though with different players and different persons always end up making the same mistakes and we wonder why. Because we can't "learn from history". We must, with all of our courage try a different path than the one before. And if we're wrong, we make the corrections and move forward still. Don't be rigid.

Progressives have become rigid through ideology, whereas conservatism is rigid through intent(preservation of the social order.) Rigidity is the key to destruction.

 

These 2 + 4 talks in matter or reunification of Germany include this point out of question if a reunified Germany shall be NATO member or not. Don't forget that West Germany was NATO member and East Germany part of Warsaw Pact!
Talks ended with the promise of Genscher and Baker to Schewardnadse ... as well of Kohl and Bush Sr. that NATO border will be eastern border of Germany!

 

So, as I understand you 2 + 4 talks has nothing what can include NATO expanding toward East? So, there is any document of this 'promise'. Just maybe somebody said to somebody. Thats mean that this 'promise' can be only myth [:

 

James Baker in Moscow on February 9, 1990 at a meeting opposite Gorbachev and Foreign Minister Shevardnadze: "The alliance will not expand its sphere of influence an inch further east if the Soviets agreed to NATO membership of a united Germany."
Foreign Minister Genscher on January 31, 1990 at the Evangelical Academy in Tutzing: "Whatever happens in the Warsaw Pact, there will be no expansion of the NATO territory to the East."

Later, Baker and Genscher did not want to interpret their statements as a promise or promise. It is clear, .... It is by this admission and by the publication of historical documents. There was a word break.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL2-nTV2UaE

On May 19, 1990, the then NATO Secretary General, Manfred Woerner, said in Brussels: "The very fact that we are not ready to deploy NATO troops beyond the territory of the Federal Republic of Germany gives the Soviet Union firm security guarantees."


And what really happened? All former East Bloc countries and the former Soviet republics in the Baltic States have been included in NATO. They even want to integrate Georgia and Ukraine into NATO. With the Ukraine one meets the full security Russia and with Georgia also. This is provocation pure and Putin still told several years ago that then the Crimea become part of Russia!
The establishment of American defense missiles in Poland to protect Europe from non-existent Iranian and North Korean missiles is probably the biggest lie. As if these countries were capable of sending missiles around half the globe over countries which are NATO too like Turkey or being able to shot down them as threat against them too like Israel and endangering us in Central Europe. Any uninformed troll must even realize how ridiculous this reasoning is.

The real word break against Russia is not that these countries are now all NATO members ... not even these idiotic rockets in Poland! No ... the real word break is that no one did speak to Russia about it and all gave a crap about what Russia thinks about it! So who is now the provoking part again?

 

lots of weak countries, whom you previously opressed, joining together in a defensive alliance, is "provocative"? well boohoo, russia's "right" to bully their neighbors has been violated, what an outrage!! but what about the rights of smaller countries to be left alone, to not be bullied??

 

Really?
let any Central- and South American countries do the same and the US Marines will tell them that this is a bad idea towards the USA!
But if Russia claiming to have the same rights in their sphere, then they are the evil bad boys of course!
Ask Nicaragua, Honduras, Grenada, Panama, Chile, Venezuela what they think about it in their area towards the USA and USA reactions!

But more important: You forget that this all happened when Russia was more as peaceful to anyone and had only 1 real threat interior with Chechnya ... and even here were not only few who showed aggressive reactions towards Moscow how they fought this conflict ... until Chechnyan fighters fought in Fallujah in 2003 against US soldiers too ... then the West and particularly the USA started to loss memory of own statements before about Chechnya problem!

 

USA did them a favour by protecting them from communism.. aside from that, the US generally leaves central and south american countries alone... and they make sure other powers leave them alone also. but anyways, it is not comparable. Russia militarily occupied lots of countries. USA never did anything similar.

Nato expansions happened directly after that the countries had been freed from soviet occupation. after having been illegally occupied, opressed, partially genocided, wouldn't you join? Why are you making excuses for russia and ussr?

 

Bollox to the corrupt incompetent European union; if Putin wants it he can have it for all I care..

 

Yes, they were bought off by the EU with Eurozone taxpayers' money. That's why Ukraine kicked off. NATO And America are going to start WW3.

 

Imaginary? I guess you missed 1962; we came that close toWW3 and the end of the world as we know it.

 

Poland borders Russia with the Kaliningrad Oblast to the Northeast.

 

I agree. Perhaps not bullying small, defenceless nations into submission is something the Americans might learn to do. That way accusations of hypocrisy would no longer be justified.

 

bought? are you seriously saying that eastern european countries needed any monetary incentives to seek protection from russia??

there is american hypocrisy a-plenty, but don't let it turn you into an apologist for russia..

 

Well, these words were said in the in the context on German reunification and Soviets never specified their concerns on this issue. In the 2+4” negotiations this question was never raised. So, there is any written confirmation of such a pledge. So there is no promise.

 

"Revival of the third position"

You want to see fascist dictatorships return?

 

Konigsberg is part of Germany.

Also the Russians are massing forces at the border with the Baltics. How does that help "Kaliningrad"?

 

Who wants to ignore these facts and say no contract can do ... but it will not change that Russia was fooled by the West! Both Politicians clearly told that NATO will not go further East as complete Germany and this was a lie!

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Ehm ... or was this no joke from your side? if really not, take a map of Europe please and look who has this area and of whom it is part ... part since 1945!

 

Yes, Russia has occupied Konigsberg since they brutally ethnically cleansed it.

 

And the germans took it from the balts, although that's almost a thousand years ago now. But there's no germans left there now.. Germany has as good a claim on königsberg as it has on the previously german parts of poland and lithuania.. Used to be majority germans in a lot of those places too. Returning any of them to germany isn't a seriousl option anymore. as for königsberg.. let's just give it to lithuania and be done with it I'd say.

 

I'd find that acceptable as well. I don't find it acceptable to leave in the hands of a nation that raped and murdered the original inhabitants.

 

yeah.. königsberg used to be 100% german and 0% russian.. suddenly it's 0% german and 100% russian. it's genocide, basically. it's of very high strategic value to russia though, so i doubt they will part with it.

 

Welcome back to the European theater guys.

 

Can you tell me where in 1962 a nuclear weapon detonated?