Vandal sprays ‘#MeToo’ on statue depicting iconic kiss a day after featured WWII veteran’s death

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  1. Bluesguy

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    And totally ignorance of history.
     
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    You need to go read the interviews they gave, he and his WIFE ran out of the theater at the news the NAZI's had surrended. He in his uniform. He got outside and he saw the WAR NURSE in her uniform, she looked at him a sailor in his uniform and it was a mutual look in the eyes of "WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK" and grabbed her in a celebratory kiss and she said it was WONDERFUL and melted in his arms with JOY. She had NO Objection to share that moment with a fellow war hero.
     
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    Leave it to the left to attack the people who actually fought the Nazis. You can't make this **** up. We are in a clown world.
     
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    Freedom of speech doesn't include damaging property. That's like saying it's okay to burn down someone's house or their car "cuz free speech". It's damaging someone else's property. That is vandalism, not free speech. You know that.
     
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    Conservatives drummed into their children's head this kind of idiotic post. Hate? ironic considering your post.
     
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    Over the top BS hysterics.
     
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    Actually judging by the righties on here, you would be wrong. Without knowing about the vandal(s), the righties are using this to bash dems, liberals, leftists, whatever come to mind.
     
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    Correct.

    But when public art glamorizes sexual assault, reactions may occur.
     
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    Are you not reading the links?

    It was sexual assault.
     
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    In other words, another day here at PF. :)
     
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    is the change part of history now... should we erase it or leave it there? put it in the history books as it's now a part of history?
     
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    seems like it's the right getting angry, the left is more of a shrug and say #metoo ...The grab em by the psy President has started a movement....

    time have changed, this is just a sign of the times... should just leave this change on the statue
     
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    LOL!! So...upon hearing the war have ended, and learning that he won't have to go back, the first thing he did is to grab a woman he have never met and planted a "celebratory kiss" on her lips like a lover while his wife....is watching? And righties think this is just...great? Hilarious.
     
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    I’d suggest you need to read them, without trying to project what you’d like to believe on it.

    He was with his girlfriend at the time (Rita, who he did marry later). The woman he kissed (Greta) wasn’t a “war nurse”, she was a dental assistant, though he’d wrongly assumed she was a nurse at the time. None of the accounts I’ve seen suggest any kind of eye contact before the kiss but suggest she knew nothing about it until he grabbed her. Her descriptions of the kiss don’t cover joy or horror, to her it was just something that happened. I’ve certainly never seen her describing the kiss as wonderful. I did see a line where she described the fact the war had ended as wonderful. I think it’s notable that she didn’t tell anyone about the kiss until years later when she first saw the photo.

    I’d love it to be an entirely innocent incident but while it’s ultimately a very minor thing that isn’t worthy of any concern in itself, wilfully lying about it to pretend there aren’t difficult aspects to understand does have potentially to negatively impact on current attitudes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greta_Zimmer_Friedmanhttps://en.wikipedia.org/
     
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    VJ day was the day that the Japanese surrendered, not the Germans. VJ stands for Victory over Japan, VE day stands for Victory in Europe.




    Your description of them looking at each other and then kissing is also inaccurate. The woman in the photo is Greta Friedman, and in her own words, she stated "I did not see him approaching, and before I know it I was in this tight grip". She also stated that she only found out later why the sailor had kissed her.

    "I was grabbed by a sailor and it wasn't that much of a kiss, it was more of a jubilant act that he didn't have to go back, I found out later, he was so happy that he did not have to go back to the Pacific where they already had been through the war. And the reason he grabbed someone dressed like a nurse was that he just felt very grateful to nurses who took care of the wounded"

    The problem here is you have too many people trying to speak for her, rather than taking her at her own words, and respecting her feelings on the matter. The people who vandalized the monument are an example, they are not honoring the Greta by vandalizing that statue, they are trying to speak for her, which in itself is disrespectful. The timing of vandalizing the monument the day after the sailor's death is also very disrespectful.

    The fact of the matter is the sailor saw a nurse, and he decided to just kiss her without her knowing that he was going to kiss her. We can look at the situation from a pragmatic point of view without disrespecting the two individuals in the photo. Under normal circumstances the situation would not be considered acceptable behavior, however this incident was not under the condition of normal circumstances. The biggest war in human history was coming to an end, and in the spur of the moment a soldier grabbed a nearby nurse and he kissed her. The woman he kissed has expressed she was caught off guard by his actions, but has also expressed an understanding for the emotion of the moment. And that is something that people need to respect


     
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    I don't think we should conform to sexist stereotypes. Not every girl who looks like Roseanne Barr secretly wants to be a Man Show 'Juggy' Dancer and the Playmate of the Year can be just as feminist as everyone else. And women can be decoration but so can men.
     
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    Some MS-13 graffiti on the Statue of Liberty would modernize that old thing, too.
     
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    wheres the 'assault'... two people whom are extatic to see eachother, embrace & kiss... seeing anything else is in the evil mind of a bad person ;)
     
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    Yea but every man wants to be with a Man Show "Juggy" Dancer or Playmate of the Year. There is a reason that unattractive rich men have beautiful wives. When I was in college I (and every guy I knew) was deeply interested in sex with the best looking women they could find (we would always settle but we always recognized we were settling). Until I see Brad Pitt with a physically repugnant woman (instead of a stone cold knockout) I will continue to believe that millions of years of evolution have informed what we as men are attracted to...... and no amount of psycho-babble by blue haired professors teaching gender studies in elite institutions will change our hard wiring.
     
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    Not the gay guys! I think straight men are lucky in that with women it is not always about the looks, if he has brains, wit, charm, talent, fame, wealth or has committed some form of exceptional act it can make him more attractive to girls no matter how he looks. As for straight men we'd still want Kim Kardashian if she worked at a sewage farm (as long as she took a bath).
     
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    sadly some men like Trump think women are only a number.... 1 to 10
     
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    But on both sides ... unfortunately!
     
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    She did not see him coming: "I did not see him approaching, and before I know it I was in this tight grip". I'm sure his girlfriend who was with him at the time was ecstatic to see him passionately kissing another woman!
     
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    yes, and the nurse of the statue has stated, she consented.
    Not an assault on any level.
     
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