Venezuelan opposition recognized as government by Trump

Well, that's nice. Now suppose you tell us who all the left-wingers in Congress are that have spoken out against this coup effort.

 

Your hypocritcal goon states (Cuba, Russia, China, Iran etc..)
are the ones with the double standards.
America stands by Australia, England, Canada, the EU etc.
in condemning the fraudulent election of Maduro and his
crimes against humanity.

 

Well, at least there are some intellectuals who understand.

VENEZUELA AND WHY IT MATTERS

 

I think the pressure in Washington and the media has gotten to Trump so instead of cleaning the swamp, he fell into it. He's putting in one after the other; Pompeo, Bolton and now Abrams. I think his son in law Kushner had a lot to do with it by eliminating his advisors one by one and giving a chance to the neo cons to gain control.

Trump is going to end up like Bush. Bush senior said he couldn't understand what happened to Cheney because he wasn't like that when he knew him. He thinks the influences came from the women. I think Victoria Nuland was working for him then and might have befriended Liz Cheney, but I'm not sure.

 

Venezuela!

 

I wasn't talking about that. I understood you to be supporting the US supporting death Squads against the people - and be very aware this was against soft targets, that is civilians, because you believe communists did the same????? Your still trying to kill people because of WW2?

Allan Nairn was saying there really was not a reason for the US to decide to invade Venezuela, except the US apparently believes someone has not really been a President unless they have had a War. Now that shows just what a humane society you have.. so he thought maybe Venezuela will do for Trump.

but maybe not. Talking of WW2 we are once again at the point where Neo Liberalism cannot make profit. That is time for war and in this case the war to beat WW1, the war to beat WW2, the worst the world has ever seen.

Cometh the time, cometh the man



and if those who support Neo Liberalism so much they support death squads against civilians because people have a different political view to them are all for this, this time we are not just going to see the death of most of the planet, we are going to see the death of all of the planet because if the world continues to show it has no intelligence and is just a child wanting its own way and all the goodies for itself, the children born now will have children who do not reach old age and the great US of A who believes in killing people who do not have the same opinion as them, will no longer be fit for human habitation - except I see you are an Aussie - you have even less time.

 

Hmm fascinating but also a Neo Liberal Party and very violent. I hear it described as the far right.

https://grayzoneproject.com/2019/01...ge-laboratory-created-venezuelas-coup-leader/

 

I get the sense that there are some very corrupt and evil people behind the coup - sort of on the scale of George Soros.

Washington always backs and supports the most evil, it's like a game to them. They want to see how much they can fool the public and get away with. They probably even make bets among themselves.

One things for sure, morality never comes into play. To them it's only for simple minds.

 

At the moment that is exactly what it is. The US is not acting according to the will of the people of Venezuela. At this point the army is. If the US has its way and manages to get a civil war going in Venezuela then people reckon it could result in different factions fighting against each other for an indeterminate time. No military who were loyal to its people would want this. Civil war is always the last thing they want. We do however need to wait and see how many take the US shilling.

 

There are four or maybe it was 8 but that was in Congress and I really do not know if being a democrat means you are left wing. Really there is very little between the two US parties. The genuine left in the States however is well on to things and doing the best it can to make people aware.

 

What new government? Attempts to overthrow an existing government isn't exactly a new government.

 

bought, paid for in millions and millions of dollars over the years and of course given orders.

 

You keep repeating about some death squads. Are you OK?

 

The poster was justifying them because of his beliefs about communism. Have you nothing to offer but personal insults. Guess not. The fact that your government has put in charge of Venezuela the man who was in charge of the support of death squads in many places in Latin and Central America is a very sinister part of the game the US is playing. That you find it amusing is its own story.

 

What death squads? You are posting as if everyone is reading the same junk you do.
Sorry, I'm not into RT, and I've never heard of death squads.

 

Is this it? Is this the start of the Revolution?
No thanks to Sth American nations, or America or Europe.
In the end it's the Venezuelans themselves that have to
force the pigs out of the trough.

 

The MSM has never named the seventeen agencies, but MSM political officers like George Stephanopoulos have said there are seventeen, and said seventeen with great emphasis.

 

It doesn't matter which master they serve Venezuelans are screwed. The battle is American interests vs Chinese, Russian and Iranian, there is much at stake and the people of Venezuela will continue to suffer. Hypocrites trying to tell me they're doing this for the good of the people

 

An important fact that everyone should learn.

 

This little tidbit of history is perhaps the one act most treacherous of the whole illegal invasion of Irak. As you say, "I think we can all applaud the guy, in a way". Everything considered one cannot blame him for throwing his shoe. Who can deny him that? But here is the main point: Bush could have taken pity on the poor guy and had the man exonerated. He didn't. If people try to excuse Bush's lie of WMD's, the invasion, the rape, torture, and murder of so many innocent men, women and children ..... by saying it was all a misunderstanding or miscalculation (not Bush's fault) ... then let them explain Bush's refusal to let that man go free.

I am sure of this. The man did go to prison you know. But if you compare the murder of Saddam and the murder of Bush who would you vote as the most murderous? And if you consider the motivation of the two which one of them would come out most pious?

Come again? Is it your opinion that the American-created Al Qaida and ISIS are laying back on lawn chairs in Irak, sipping ice tea?

There were no "secret nuclear bomb factories". A well-known fact that I am surprised you are unaware of. And BTW, the reason there were none is because of UN pressure upon Saddam to dismantle them ..... nothing to do with the Ameican invasion that came after those bombs had already been destroyed. So the "Millions of lives saved" had already been accomplished before the illegal invasion, thus the millions of lives the U.S. took only added to whatever murderous situation might have earlier been underway.

I am sure this is not true. The CIA trained and support the "death squads" in Irak, implemented by Colonel James Steele, who by the way did the same thing in Latin America - getting back to topic > > >

 

What part of these "facts" is meant to impress me and extol trust & credibility? I can tell you that there are 137 high-profile witnesses to Hillary Clinton's pizza gate child prostitution ring and 658 credible witnesses who can attest under oath that Donald Trump is really the mass rape & murderer Theodore Bundy. I am not at liberty to name them but I do so with great emphasis.

 

No one says it’s for the good of the people.
It’s good for the Americans because Maduro took loans and used American refineries as collateral.

how the F did you manage to add China and Iran to this mess?

 

Is that really true? Fascism is so like Socialism.
German Fascism was called "National Socialism." Whereas Socialism
believed in the state owning everything (ie stealing) the National Soc'
believed in controlling everything (much the same as Western Cultural
Marxism aspire to today.)
If it was a case of you living under Stalin 1930-40 or Hitler 1930-40 I
think both of us would chose Hitler. Mostly you just had to oppose
Hitler to be killed, whereas Stalin could kill you to fill quotas, or because
the class you once belonged to. Both systems killed people for their
race (Jews, Gypsies etc for Hitler and Poles, Ukrainians, Finns for
Stalin.) And remember, Fascists and Communists started WWII
together.

I think Fascists hate certain races firstly, and then democratic nations.
There's too much in common between the hard Left and hard Right
for them to really hate each other.

 

I have a rule of thumb for picking good nations:
1 - countries that people want to emigrate to, or don't want to leave.
2 - countries that have credible balances of power
3 - countries that don't allow people to stay in power too long.

If Venezuela picks the Western model of liberal Capitalist democracy
then it has the best chance of flourishing. Just look at South Korea,
Taiwan and Japan for instance. And to see what Venezuela could
become, look no further than Cuba - the nation who's agents work
for the Maduro government, "teaching" it how to be a Communist
state.

 

No, it isn't. FASCISM is not a government or a political philosophy. FASCISM is a condition. FASCISM is a breakdown or failure or corruption of any political philosophy. But because Socialism and Democracy are "for the people" philosophies, FASCISM can become the reign in a government that claims to be Socialist and/or Democratic. Stalin and Gorge Bush Jr. both claimed to be anti-Fascists but both of them were FASCISTS just as much as Hitler and Mussolini who proudly governed under the FASCIST banner. Stalin was outright FASCIST and Bush was a proxy/puppet-FASCIST.

NOTE: Neither Democracy, Socialism, nor Communism are FASCIST philosophies but that hasn't prevented certain Democratic, Socialist, and Communist leaders from corrupting their political philosophies and becoming FASCISTS all the same. North Korea (for example) is officially called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Need I say more?