Venezuelan opposition recognized as government by Trump

don't you love it when some puts "how the F" in front of a stupid question

T Iran has had close ties with Venezuela since Chavez, Tareck El Aissami their VP also has ties to Hezbollah, China has invested billions

Iran, Russia, and China's Central Role in the Venezuela Crisis
https://www.meforum.org/7206/iran-russia-and-china-central-role-in

Will Iran warships in Venezuela cause alarm? This is going to bother neighboring countries
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article222843240.html

 

Affluent countries are affluent because America allow them to be, if you fall of the wrong side of the US they will block your trade, sanction you, exclude you from their powerful economy, destabilise your country, bribe your politicians and force allies to do the same. Welcome to Venezuela.

Look at South Africa.... liberal capitalist democracy **** hole. Blows your entire liberal Capitalist democracy theory out of the water.

 

I doubt from the reality that all you have to offer is insults that you have read anything on it with perhaps the except of tabloids you would normally call fake news.

Allan Nairn: Trump’s Venezuela Envoy Elliott Abrams Is a War Criminal Who Has Abetted Genocide



Max Blumenthal on Venezuela and Dark Ops



Allan Nairn: U.S. Backers of Guatemalan Death Squads Should Be Jailed Alongside Ex-President

 

This is why toppling the dollar (particularly in oil) has become the main focal point in breaking the monopoly. It's coming, but a few more heads will no doubt roll until the effort gains steam. Saddam & Ghadaffi got the chop for their efforts but Assad was pulled out of the fire at the last second so perhaps the time is drawing near. Venezuela might just be the determining factor. When it happens it will tumble as quickly as white rule did in the RSA.

 

Read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" and you'll see how it all works for the oligarchs of the good ole US of A....now back to my retirement...

 

I wonder how long this latest Trump appointment will last.

 

I heard too much golf is bad for you

 

Yeah may be a similar case of be careful what you wish for...

 

A couple of days ago I read an article which suggested that the reason the Tories were going hard on Venezuela is because they intend on identifying Corbyn with it. I just head Andrew Marr saying to Barry Gardiner (Labour's Brexit Minister) that Corbyn was probably the one person who Maduro would listen to so could he not get on to him and tell him the best thing to do now was to have another election. Seems that article was right.

 

If you mean that knocking the U.S. (and its' dollar) off the high ground will spell death to the rest of us then I am not worried. It is possible, but the way the U.S. is dishing out the muck it is only a matter of time before it hits us wherever we are. I say that we align ourselves with whatever worthy people we can find and give Washington the shove. The world is full of competent people who are eager to show us what they can do and I believe they will.

If you mean the consequences of "black rule" in the RSA ..... I understand. Mandela gave Africa a taste of what it could be like. It only needed refinement. Unfortunately, it didn't happen.

 

Iran has been promising to send warships into the Atlantic and even off the coast of the US about every 12-18 months since at least 2011. It has repeatedly claimed ships are actually going to the Atlantic. Lots of excitable & feeble minded people of all political hues get all excited, and then forget it ever happened.

Not one Iranian warship has ever made it into the Atlantic. Not one. Maybe one day....or not.

 

By you perhaps, but not by the UN, the EU and most of the rest of the world. Don't get me wrong. I don't like to the the U.S. government doing this but it is laughable to say that Maduro is a "cleanly" elected president. He is a dictator.

 

Guaido versus Maduro: Who is backing Venezuela's two …
Reuters
5 days ago · ** Venezuela’s top military envoy to the United States, defense attache Colonel Jose Luis Silva, said he was splitting with Maduro and recognized Guaido as the “only legitimate president.”

 

And just like that Trump installed his own dictator, just as he was instructed to, the dancing little gimp that he is.

 

Looks like the OAS beat Trump to the punch. Imagine that.



OAS resolution against Venezuela will further isolate the ...

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/andres...
The Organization of American States’ resolution against Venezuela’s dictatorship this week is a significant step that deserves our applause — but not for the reasons stated in most headlines.



OAS chief threatens military force against Venezuela

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/09/15/oas-chief...
Sep 15, 2018 · OAS chief threatens military force against Venezuela. The head of the Organization of American States has joined President Donald Trump in holding out the threat of a …

 

Meh, the Anti Americans always blame the US even if the US comes late to the party.


Venezuela opposition leader Guaido plans massive rallies ...
https://www.dailysabah.com/americas/2019/01/28/venezuela...
6 days ago · Venezuela's opposition leader Juan Guaido called Sunday for two new protests, in an effort to push the military to turn against elected President Nicolas Maduro and back a European ultimatum demanding a new round of elections within the week.

 

What’s really sad?

Maduro will go. Another leftest will takes his place. They’ll hold elections. Another statist, right or left, will take his place. And no one will have learned anything. Self-sacrifice will still rule the mores of the Venezuelan culture, and Venezuela will be back on the path to a socialist death spiral.

 

It's not my opinion. It is what I have heard. In particular the Carter Centre has been very impressed by their elections. I have read and heard people who were there including Brits saying that they found people no evidence on anything but a free and fair election. Earlier on in the thread Eleuthera provided evidence that both the EU and the UN were asked to come and be among the Observers. They refused, clearly colluding with the US who has made it clear that if the UN does not do what the US wants it will do everything it can to destroy it...so maybe we are seeing that happening or maybe the people making the choice were in some way in cahoots with the US.

Some of the Observers wrote to the EU about what they said as it most certainly did not go with what they actually witnessed.

https://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/13899

The concept of the elections having a problem appears to come from the US and people say it was even the decision of the US as it wanted to push the line that Venezuela was undemocratic and make the plea of doing the most undemocratic thing, interfering with a States sovereignty by claiming they were giving it freedom and democracy. Hence the idea was that the opposition would not stand but they would be dishonest and say they were not allowed to stand when this simply was not the truth.

The opposition is not one party. What does bring the opposition together is that they all believe in Neo Liberalism. Apart form that they vary greatly. Some of them did stand letting you know there was no ban. I heard one who was very popular stood much to the anger of the US. Although all are Neo Liberal not all are after creating civil wars and chaos in their country like the ones the US supports.

There is another point you should be carful of. I keep hearing people say that the US is not having fair and free elections. How would the US like to be treated as it treats others when in it's case the lack of free and fair elections appears to be true.

 

The hypocrisy astounds me. Bolton wants to send aid to the poor Venezuelan people, no doubt with the money stolen from Venezuela as if he has the right to depose of it. In the mean time, a caravan of 10 trucks with aid from the Syrian government to a town east of the Euphrates, was blocked by the Kurds under orders from Washington.

But then again what else is new.

 

Forever, because they're neo cons and warmongers and exactly what the deep state wanted.

 

Well there is always new Russian propaganda.

 

Or the opposite could occur.

 

Venezuela has the most secure and best electoral machines in the world. They even check fingerprints.

Washington loves to make up lies so it can put in puppets with no qualms about selling their nations to US corporations. One example is Ukraine. Not only did they kick out the elected president Yanukovich, but gave support to mafia families who could care less about Ukraine - even throwing the country into war and indebting the people billions to the IMF.

Then there was Libya the wealthiest nation in Africa with some of the best social services in the world. Washington threw them into war and abject poverty because Ghadaffi wanted to put Africa on the gold standard and take them off the dollar to raise their standard of living.

And of course we have Syria, where the most tolerant President in the Middle East was demonized by Washington. In the meantime they gave support to the same terrorists who were killing the minorities that Assad was protecting.

Now it's Venezuela! If someone doesn't see a pattern here, then they're either idiots or have some nefarious agenda that doesn't bode well for anyone other than those who they are aligning themselves with.

 

Not likely; but certainly possible.

 

If the elections were dishonest; what will change with a new one? Nothing.

If the elections were honest, Maduro’s election proves that the masses truly are asses, and they deserve what they got: the destruction of the rich. Well, now there’s no more rich; everybody’s poor.

Maduro’s election also proves the deadly danger in elections, and folly of democracies.

Ayn Rand: “A majority vote is not an epistemological validation of an idea. Voting is merely a proper political device—within a strictly, constitutionally delimited sphere of action—for choosing the practical means of implementing a society’s basic principles. But those principles are not determined by vote”. http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/voting.html

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