Virginia house passes national popular vote bill.

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  1. HTownMarine

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    Mainly water power, an extremely efficient agricultural sector, and yes, glaciers. Tourism is a significant part of their economy.

    It's a lot easier to remain fiscally stable if you arent paying for **** that everyone else pays for. It's a lot easier to be stable if there is less instability. Make sense?


    But they're still white. If the people in this country all, for the most part, practiced the same religion (like Switzerland), spoke the same language, and were the same color with the same values...

    Itd probably be a lot more peaceful here, too.
     
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    ...and killing babies after they're born and calling it "legal abortion".
     
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    Good. I hope they're serious or else VA is in huge trouble. Prior to 2008, VA hadn't voted blue since 1964.
     
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    Well, it never occurs to Democrats that the political tables turn. (In the not too distant past, California was red and Texas was blue.)

    If your state governor wants to overrule the state's citizens' vote and go with the national vote, the citizens can still vote that governor out. Of course, citizens would have to be mad enough at having their voices taken away by the governor.
     
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    So you are in favor of nullifying voters who don't vote your way.....got it.
     
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    Take a civics class.

    You go off on some rant about letting "oligarchs" selecting our leaders, without actually understanding that thats how they are selected today.

    What is so wrong about the people actually electing the executive branch ?
     
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    It's such a good idea that-no- western democracy popularly elects its head of government.
     
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    What I think they're doing is going with the popular vote if it works for them and an "opt out" would say they choose the electoral vote. So they've written the rules so that one party stays in power depending on whether the popular vote or the electoral vote is in their favor. (Unless of course the popular and electoral votes "match".)

    Well, the whole thing is entirely screwed up....and definitely has the potential to backfire on them down the line, like every other thing they do to try to cheat the rules.
     
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    Social security, but that hasn’t happened and is unlikely to happen.
    You realize politicians are liars, yes?

    Have an actual example of what you are stating?
     
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    Good reason we better hope that the Dems don't win the House and the Senate....or at least that the vote would have to be a Super Majority vote in the Senate to get congressional approval.
     
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    There isn't any substance to it b/c it doesn't account for age of the population, number of people on SS and Medicare, types of industry, military presence, agriculture, etc.

    Not saying your contention is not correct, just saying there are always variables. If those variables are not accounted for, the claim isn't valid.
     
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    Why, so we can have lowest ranking in education, deteriorating infrastructure, poor healthcare... No thanks, I prefer living in a state that functions like a first world nation not a third world one.

    Mostly red

    Virtually all red states
     
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    That is Bernie Freeshit Sanders personified. Get woke!
     
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    Cutting benefits hasn't happened yet.
    Liars and whores
     
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    The more dependent on government services and handouts, the more people vote for Democrats. California is wanting to make voting mandatory (and allow illegal immigrants to vote).

    They do mandatory voting in Venezuela....and track who people vote for. People who don't vote for Maduro don't get food subsidies so everyone votes for Maduro if they want to eat. Then Maduro claims that he has a democratic mandate by the popular vote to continue as the Socialist dictator. The Democrat Party is slowly headed in that direction.
     
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    This is true.

    The elections held during the 1860s and 1870s clearly provide a precedence that not all states have to be counted to arrive at a valid outcome.

    Once this BS is challenged for not being in sync with the Constitution, the Supremacy Clause will kick in and all of the similar legislative will become invalid as well.

    The only way to change this is to have a Constitutional Amendment. Article 4 Section 4: "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government..."
     
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    But you will have situations where neither candidate gets 270 votes. Then you have a much more serious problem.
     
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    Because states do
     
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    We're hoping that voter turnout in Texas will be stronger this year. It probably will be. In 2016, a lot of Texans were split between Trump and Cruz and (like me) did not trust Trump not to be a Democrat in disguise.

    Californians have been pumping money into Texas politics like crazy. I think BETO (funded by Californians more than Texans) almost beating Cruz for the 2018 Senate seat probably scared a lot of Republicans silly.

    Anyway, in 2016, Trump was polling to beat Hillary by 10 points and he did beat her by a decent margin, so a lot of conservatives felt that Texas was "comfortably red", and not a swing state. This year is different, and Trump has proven himself to be reliably conservative in policy and in action.
     
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    On the flip side, Trump's numbers are the best we've seen out of a GOP presidential candidate in 12 years. I was astonished when I read those polls, but they make sense because I can't remember the last time we were this energized and unified. Probably 2004, when Dubyah carried Virginia by over 8 percentage points.
     
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    I would agree they would be likely to push it through as dems are the ones really pushing it in the states as of now. I don’t like the idea at all regardless of constitutionality. Disenfranchising your own states voters in favor of others? My goodness, what could ever possibly go wrong with that? /sarcasm
     
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    California and Texas are both among the lowest ranking states education (probably because it's hard to educate millions of non-English speakers who came here illiterate in their own language). California has high state tax. Texas has no state tax.

    California has such great infrastructure that the state laid off all the forestry industry experts who knew how to maintain the forests. Now half the state has burned down and people are left with black-out and brown-out electrical service.

    I have no idea about rankings for healthcare rankings. Neither California nor Texas are in the top- nor bottom- 5 states.
     
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