Voter suppression

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  1. Tahuyaman

    Tahuyaman Well-Known Member

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    How does so,some register to vote without a way to prove that they are who they say they are? How does one conduct their daily business such as cash a pay check, social security or welfare check? How does one enroll into MEDICARE, Social Security or even an affordable health care act exchange program?

    How is it that a person can seem to find a way to prove who they are to do everything other than vote?
     
  2. dujac

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    he's 93 and doesn't drive

    i know it may be a stretch for narrow minds, but everyone does't live like you

    not to mention, that question has been answered umpteen times in this thread
     
  3. Bluesguy

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    "In 2011, Alabama passed a state law requiring voters to present a photo ID in order to be allowed to cast a ballot, but implementation of the law was delayed due to a Voting Rights Act's (VRA) formula that required jurisdictions with a history of racial discrimination to "preclear" their election rule changes with the Department of Justice. The preclearance rule was gutted in the 2013 Shelby County v. Holder Supreme Court decision, and Alabama's June 4 primary election was the first opportunity for the state's voter ID law to take effect."

    I've been showing ID for years. I used to take my blind mother to vote and she showed her state ID. Voter ID is not new in Alabama.

    He disfranchised himself, free ID's are readily available and why didn't this group help him get one in the first place?

    Officials: Alabama's photo ID law working smoothly
    http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com...abamas-photo-id-law-working-smoothly/9932325/

    One person in the entire state and no evidence he could not have gotten an ID as every other citizen in the state did.
     
  4. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    So what my mother had to stop driving in the 60's due to blindness and she voted even after the ID requirement went into effect.

    It this group that sought him out really wanted him to vote why didn't they assist him in getting an ID instead of trying to make an example of him?
     
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    Taxcutter says:
    Sure I can. What's to stop me? If I show up before you do and am not challenged, you are effectively disenfranchised. If I vote six or seven times, you are effectively disenfranchised. If my dead grandmother votes, you are effectively disenfranchised.
     
  6. dujac

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    i have a feeling she has more resource than willie mims does

    and that's what the gop is counting on



    if isn't reality, here's the kind of thing that needs to be watched:



    McDaniel rep, others locked in courthouse

    An official investigation has been opened into three people who were found locked in the Hinds County Courthouse hours after it was closed by election officials Tuesday after returns had been counted in the Republican primary for U.S. Senate.

    The Hinds County Sheriff's Department is investigating why three people, including a high-ranking Chris McDaniel campaign official, were found locked in the Hinds County Courthouse in Jackson hours after an election official says the building was closed early Wednesday morning.

    Hinds County Sheriff's Department spokesman Othor Cain said investigators are trying to figure out how Janis Lane, Scott Brewster and Rob Chambers entered the courthouse. They were inside until about 3:45 a.m., Cain said.

    Brewster is a former coordinator of presidential candidate Newt Gingrich's Mississippi operation and is currently McDaniel's campaign coalition coordinator.

    "There are conflicting stories from the three of them, which began to raise the red flag, and we're trying to get to the bottom of it," Cain said. "No official charges have been filed at this point, but we don't know where the investigation will lead us."

    Brewster's name popped up during the first days after conservative political blogger Clayton Kelly was arrested and charged in a photo scandal involving U.S. Sen. Thad Cochran's bedridden wife, Rose. Kelly was accused of sneaking into Rose Cochran's Madison nursing home and taking photos of her for a political video.

    After Kelly's arrest, three other McDaniel supporters were charged with conspiracy in connection with the nursing home case. Those include state tea party leader and attorney Mark Mayfield and a former radio talk show co-host of McDaniel's.

    After The Clarion-Ledger broke the news of Kelly's arrest, Brewster said he was aware of the video.

    http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2014/06/04/tea-party-official-locked-inside-courthouse/9963579/
     
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    The bottom line with most of the "voter suppression" argument is that the democrats do not want their illegal voting suppressed! Period!!!
     
  8. Bluesguy

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    She lived on Social Security and was BLIND.

    The fact is Willie did not take the time nor show the concern to get an ID which is readily obtainable and of the course the question as to why this group didn't help him get one instead of trying to use him like they did. There is no evidence presented he could not have gotten one.
     
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    there's no good reason to refuse him his right to vote
     
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    the largest fraud is in absentee which voter ID doesnt address, ironicly republicans depend on them.
     
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    Yup I'll stick to what I say, it's not about keeping votes of color down
     
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    Lol! How so? By making sure that they are legal citizens and that they only vote once? What does that say about the Democratic party's voting base that this is a problem for them? :roflol:
     
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    How did she get on social security and cash a government issued check check without being able to prove who she is?
     
  14. Tahuyaman

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    So, seeing as how those questions have never been answered, can you give it a shot, or will you just throw out another mindless insult?
     
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    He answered your questions.....
     
  16. Bluesguy

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    She had a state issued photo ID.

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    No he didn't. How does one get enrolled in a nursing home with out proper ID?
     
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    One pays the fee....
     
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    How does one enroll without a proper ID fee or no fee? In fact if you are on Medicaid you do not need the fee it is paid for, but how do you do that without a proper ID?
     
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    Do you really believe that government issued ID is the only way to identify yourself?
    And will you please list something that requires an ID that does not involve money?
    Because money is a big reason people try to impersonate other people, remove money, the incentive is gone, and the need for ID vanishes, unless you are trying to make it difficult for old people and poor people to vote...
     
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    Well it certainly serves those who get represented, wouldn't you agree?
    And besides, the alternative to having results being representative of the population at large/the wishes of the majority,
    is having results which are representative of only a small minority or even an individual.

    Such limitations if taken far enough will eventually lead us to an outcome of aristocracy and or dictatorship.
    And the more we limit the vote, the closer we get to having such systems, which I do not believe many people would be in favor of having,
    as dictatorships and aristocracies tend to only serve the interests of the aristocrats or the dictator,
    while the interests of the majority of the population get set to the side.

    It is my belief that it is a good thing for us to try and make it so that election outcomes meet the interests of as many citizens as possible.


    Like I said, uninformed people voting is a problem.
    But, the solution is not to discourage them from voting,
    not to make it more difficult for them to vote,
    the solution is to educate them.

    Like I said, their uninformedness could be their own fault,
    but it could also be the fault of an unreliable media and or the candidates. But either way, the solution is not to make it harder for these people to vote,
    not to discourage them, not to reduce the number of people who vote...the solution is to turn uninformed voters into informed ones.

    We ought to both want and encourage everyone, all legal citizens, to both become educated on the issues and to vote.
    Those uninformed people who are currently voting...we should not discourage them, we should educate them.

    If we've got people throwing darts at the ballot then that's definitely an issue. And if they aren't able to for whatever reason become informed on their own, then it is up to the media, the candidate, and all us informed folks to share the word.
    Preventing them from voting or discouraging them/making it harder is not the answer as it doesn't solve the problem and actually creates new ones.

    We're talking about uninformed voters here, which implies that they are already voting. Either way, I agree, we need to encourage them to get educated.

    -Meta
     
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    none of his activities required a photo id
     
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    So, once again. How do people conduct other important personal business which requires proof of identification?
     
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    you don't seem to be getting it, they aren't doing things which require an id
     
  24. Bluesguy

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    What I believe is you are dodging again.

    How does one enroll without a proper ID fee or no fee? In fact if you are on Medicaid you do not need the fee it is paid for, but how do you do that without a proper ID?

    Entering a federal courthouse.
    Receiving nursing home care under Medicaid/Medicare.
    Obtaining various government licenses and permits.
    Applying for a job.
    Getting some prescriptions
    Boarding a plane.
    Serving on a jury.

    and on and on and on
     
  25. dujac

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    get a grip on reality, willie mims is 93 years old
     
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