During the trial medical evidence included two autopsy reports that ruled Floyd’s death a homicide, as well as witness testimony from several medical experts who said Floyd died from a lack of oxygen. As well several use-of-force experts testified Chauvin’s actions against Floyd were excessive. The Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo stated on April 5. “Once there was no longer any resistance, and clearly when Mr. Floyd was no longer responsive and even motionless, to continue to apply that level of force to a person proned out, handcuffed behind their back, that in no way shape or form is anything that is by policy,” So to ask me if I am a cop or doctor is absurd. I have nothing to do with what decided the case.
It is an accepted technique. I was trained on the technique when I was a police officer. I would be happy to explain this to you, but maybe a vid would make more sense? I'm 100% certain as a guy with multiple belts in several forms (aikido, muay thai and BJJ- I've owned my own school) that you cannot "paralyze" someone with a pinch. I've never even heard of anyone paralyzing anyone with a pinch or squeeze, that's just some dim mak related comedy. I've many full contact MMA fights, that's not real, dude. I'm currently coach "Buri" at our gracie jiu jitsu school.
The coroner said he had no neck damage, but a fatal amount of fent and meth. I can read a coroners report, so I can cancel medical school. Lethal amount of drugs, terrible health, strenuous activity doesn't work well for violent felons.
people should consider this before they choose a career in law enforcement. Just doing your job can land you in prison. If the politics are right.
OK , so you go out one day and aren't feeling at all well. You're jumped by a bunch of blacks who beat you until you die. Then it's found you had an undiagnosed heart problem and might have had a heart attack any minute. Plus you had a drink last night to help you sleep. How much do you think your family should owe the gang that beat you for the inconvenience of bringing them to trial?
The difference is they had a reason to jump him. Don't like it? Change the laws. related thread here: thoughts on police and black men dying
Was I asking you? If I did that was a typo/mistake and I apologize. I don't really know how it happened.
And the reason for accosting Floyd was that somebody passed him counterfeit money? I don't care what anyone says, if being passed a counterfeit note and then innocently using it yourself is a legitimate reason for your violent arrest then the counterfeiting laws DO need some real revision. If it's several hundred notes in a bank or a repeated problem in one place then yes, there is some genuine cause for concern but STILL no arrest is called for, just a polite inquiry from those nice men at the Secret Service. If you have passed a counterfeit note why would the police get involved at all? YOU'RE THE VICTIM here
What language is that? Why is the video not in English? What is the maximum amount of time you can safely put a knee on someone's neck?
in your scenario the victim is beaten up. This was a lawful arrest. Floyd wasn’t beaten up, he was drugged up and struggling and on a fatal amount of drugs. Your scenario is simply awful. You can do better.
it certainly does. I’d tell you to watch the video or actually learn the technique but you won’t. It’s easier to to pretend black people don’t commit crime and blame a white police officer.
No, the reasoning was he was sitting behind the drivers seat of a car heavily intoxicated. He could have driven off and killed somebody in an automotive accident. In case you don't know, if police find somebody sitting behind the steering wheel of a car and it is obvious they are under the influence, the police will arrest them. Once officers started talking to him it probably became obvious to them this man was either mentally retarded, or... more likely... high under the influence of illegal drugs. Now, we can all disagree about drug laws, but the law is the law. When the law tells police to arrest somebody, the police are going to do it. If you want to call that "murder", fine, I won't disagree with you, but we as a society have done it. The fault is not just the police. That's like you hiring a thug to kidnap someone, the thug ends up killing the person in an altercation when that person resists, and then you just try to wash your hands of the blood and claim the death was not your fault.
The crime George Floyd is accused of was not a death penalty offence. And Derek Chauvin was not the judge, jury and executioner. At least he wasn't supposed to be.
When police have to arrest a person, and that person is a big strong 223-pound man who the officers have difficulty controlling, and the suspect is resisting and acting erratically and not entirely rationally, and under the influence of drugs, what do you expect is going to happen? The police officers were well-built men, but the suspect had the body build of a professional heayweight boxer. Yes, he was in handcuffs, but the suspect had already caused much frustration, it took a lot of effort and pushing to get him into the car and then after all that he just popped right back out, and the police were exasperated. Anything the police might have done to subdue the suspect could have posed some risk to his life, especially when underlying health conditions were present. In his state of health, a tranquilizer dart or a tazer shock would likely also have killed him. Opioids such as fentanyl are well known to depress breathing. Floyd had taken a huge dose of it, enough to kill a man smaller than him. On top of that Floyd also had the coronavirus!! You think it would have taken much to stop him from being able to breathe?
Oh no! George Floyd had the coronavirus too. Well. That solves it. No wonder he didn't make it. He probably wasn't even vaccinated. (sarcasm)
I'm just saying, in normal circumstances that sort of maneuver would have been very unlikely to kill a person. Especially a person who was in normal health and most men who have a muscular build like that. Chauvin arrived on the scene after Floyd had initially told the officers he was having trouble breathing. From Chauvin's point of view, when Floyd was complaining about having trouble breathing during the struggle it likely might have been seen by him as the suspect just being manipulative and melodramatic (given how Floyd was behaving and talking at the time), trying to gain an opportunity to get out of the restraint hold.
Because you don't know how to read a coroners report. The report is not a court ruling, it's simply a medical document that means another person was involved in the death. Please stop, if you're genuinely not going to do any research to understand these things there is no chance you'll see how things actually work.
Do not pull the cop card on me. I prosecuted cases for over 20 years. Pull that shtick on someone else. You know damn well if you served that what is called "the maximal restraint technique" can onluy used in situations where handcuffed subjects are combative and still pose a threat to themselves, officers or others, or could cause significant damage property if not properly restrained. You know it, I know it, his police manual said it and every damn police manual says it. If someone wants to see just how out of line you are misrepresenting this technique I suggest this summary which is easy to understand: https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/the-mo...scouraged-by-most-police-here-s-why-1.4960025 You claim to have been a cop then do not pretend knee on neck is routine. It never was its a last resort technioque when all else fails and you damn well know officers are trained to plaxe their subjects in the recovery position to alleviate positional asphyxia which Chauvin did not do. As for your martial arts comments I will save it for another post.
