Was Trump mad not bad. (or good)

That is the real puzzle. There is evidence to view. While most of Americas news channels were dedicating there time to Covid. Fox news lead news item was the riots. Hours of footage implying the situation was far graver than it was.
Add to this the very effective mantra of "fake news" which enabled supporters to ignore anything they were uncomfortable with simply by denying it was true.
Add to this social media, flooded with cleverly written posts implying the facts people saw were untrue and confusing folks with long words and pseudo science.

One thing that (as an outsider in the UK) I was pleased about is how little damage Trump was actually able to do. How your democratic systems stopped his worst excesses. In the end he was unable to usurp democracy and become the Putin of America.

 

A large part of Trump's appeal is his penchant for picking fights. He's the first major politician to really dig into the left on a daily basis in a way that makes people feel like they're watching someone on their side stomp through internet comment sections. They don't care about the substance of what he says or the fact that he really doesn't know what he's doing when it comes to being a leader, because he's good at at the trolling part and that elicits emotional responses. If he were to not have that brash ******* part of his personality that causes him to be the internet troll, even if he did all the same things policy wise he would not have anywhere close to the support that he does.

That much at least he does deserve credit for. He found an under-served niche in the political market and filled it. Sure, columnists, bloggers, AM radio hosts, etc, they all do the brash internet troll thing too. But they aren't running for office. They aren't out there kissing babies, having rallies, and making a spectacle, an event, of it all.

 

You evidently don’t know much about psychology.

 

Well stated. It took the strength of character of some to make sure the democratic process was carried out...


but the system was certainly tested ...as it could have gone the other way.........The Putin way.

Which suggests that there are man that would like that......... and THAT is concerning. The problem might be that they don't see the Trump /Putin analogy. Given the violence prone quality of this nation.....it is not surprising that many would favor the "sting man" style of leadership.

 

Trump was a two bit thug his whole life.

 

Yes he was........and stil is. the question is how he became that way......

His ideas , behavior crossed from thug into "mad" far too often.


Even suggesting that injection disinfectant into the body would cure the virus..................is sheer madness... But because of his position and the gullibility of of some folks...............some actually tried it.

 

To me you just described Joe?

Truly Mad is evil

first of all, I think Trump had a huge ego, but no one has proved to me he is evil or mad

name a President who did not lie?

Always has been an empty lying suit

sounds like everyone gets a ribbon?

 

This thread is NOT about J Biden. why the distraction??

 

Foolishness! You only have to look at the wrecked enterprise his life has been. His casinos, his steaks, booze, game, charities; all failed. And with each

Fixed it for ya!

 

AND Donald Judas tRump

 

Trump and Narcissism........


A podcast with answers by a professional. (not Trumps niece.......who is also right)

https://psychcentral.com/blog/podca...d9091aa0bbf4ef284dc0ddf7d4abb252027c596581efa

He actually borders on Malignant narcissism.........


This is based on observable behavior of a public figure in public . She is s pot on...

 

I think proving it would be impossible, even if doctors certified him.
However I have been reading quite a lot about his meetings etc and while I started out thinking he was your typical bully I slowly moved onto madness.
I will not persuade you, as any examples I give will be labelled 'fake news'. All I could ask you to do is read some of the stories from witnesses at his meetings and see if you think they are all made up. check the facts mentioned (As I did) and keep an open mind.

 

that means people may lie for fame and a book deal

 

Was Trump mad not bad. (or good)

None of the above. He was a man with a personality ill suited to politics.

 

goldwater himself was a more "libertarian" brand of conservative but he did attract the trump rally crowd.

i've been thinking if trump's relationship howard stern, who has his own mini cult that i do not begin to understand.

but no. there are religious and entertainment themes to trump's schtick , but the act is specifically pro 'rasslin', trump is a heel, but most 'rasslin' fans love the heels.

 

The reply I expected.
One should never try to convert the converted.

 

stage magician penn gillette (he was on the apprentice 2 seasons i think) has a good interview on trump meetings. penn is an actual libertarian with a passing familiarity with psychoactive substances. he agrees with me that cocaine fuels the trump train. .

this is not the one i had seen but this gives the best points.

Video Penn Jillette Talks Working With Donald Trump on 'Celebrity Apprentice' - ABC News (go.com)..

 

Professionals in the filed of psychology have described him as a pathological narcissist. If you listened to the pod cast I posted........ that will give you an idea.

Folks will say......."h w can one "diagnose" mental unhealth without a psychiatric assessment?/

We are not talking about DIAGNOSING anyone. on here We are talking about observable dysfunctional behavior.

Folks in the USA are not very psychologically oriented. Thus mental health is not a priority or high on their level of consciousness )...........but things like weapons are. They are simply not able t recognize dysfunctional behavior when it is right in front of them.........and thus many people who are suffering just have to suffer.until the commit a lethal crime ......Or they rationalize the behavior .......trying to "normalize it". In a society that has a high tolerance for violence, aggression, even simple bullying is tolerated...........as is Verbal L Bullying ( Trump speak)

You have taken the time t sod some research and you findings are spot on.......(having worked in the field , and seeing his sadistic cruelty to others among st other "symptoms'..........I have been concerned.). Most just go int denial or get angry when his behavior is discussed. Or they bring up Biden as some kind of ineffective argument. People don't want to question their own perceptions........about him. Sadly this is how "mad" men get into powerful positions d( If they have a LOT of money ) and create havoc on the planet. There is a good reason that the world breathed a sigh of relief when Trump lost the election. ( except for those dictators that he favored and found him useful)

 

Well both sides have out and out lied to me, as far as being converted, I liked some, some policies but not all of Trump's and as far Biden and the Democrats right now I wouldn't support much, I would vote for Commie Jill Stein before Biden. Trump will not get my vote either.

 

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Fair do's. I think Trump was very good at seeing what really bugged folks and relating that to people. Where he failed was having any idea how to do anything about them. He demanded actions were taken and didn't want to bother with detail, then got angry when reality got in the way.
Ideas men like Trump are not bad to have, but they can't be in charge.
One example. Trump had the brilliant idea of going direct to the people for funding and raised millions by texting individuals. Trouble is he did no research and assumed 1.5 cents a text. Reality was that to get a company to carry out the task cost 7 cents a text. Costing more than they raised and emptying the campaign coffers. Trumps reaction was to explode at the person who carried out his direct orders.
Conclusion. Trump good idea. His boss look at viability and find a way around the problems.

 

Benedict Donald has a rotten core. He's lost, right out of the gate, trying to do anything good. His only experience is scamming, taking advantage and using people for his benifit. Anything else makes no sense to him.

He's banned from creating charities because to him they were a clever revenue stream ... FOR HIM. He can't imagine a business venture where HIS profits aren't padded but screwing the little guys out of theirs. His steaks, booze, games, school all failed because providing a quality product never occurred to him. His only thought is how little he can put in to get the maximum out.

The good thing about tRump is he only held office once. Which was more than enough. Politics is another revenue stream that allowed him to take advantage of the public trust; while he was in office. And to mine the pockets of his supporters now that he's out.

 

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Well said. Trump has always been a low life thug.

 

He is a man with a generically correct idealism, without any concept on how to implement it. He didn’t have the education. He has no understanding of the constitution. He admittedly owned congress critters, without the desire to fix it, while claiming he did.

Pretty on the extreme and original surface. Once scrutinized, awful.

We truly need a Trump with brains, curiosity and creativity. He has none of those qualities.

 

Well your right about some of that.Trump does have a problem. He does think to highly of himself. He doesn't like people who disagree with him and he fires and trashes them afterwords. He doesn't seem to care if he says something wrong and believes he has the answer for most everything.But he is far from mad. He sees things the experts didn't. He knew how to grow the economy and increase wages and he did a fantastic job of it up till the virus hit us.

There are more jobs than people out of work, something the American economy has never experienced before
https://www.cnbc.com/.../there-are-more-jobs-than-people...

Pay gains under Trump best since the Great Recession
www.cnbc.com › 2018/01/31 › pay-gains-under-trump...

Jan 31, 2018 - Workers looking for fatter paychecks had their best year in 2017 since before the financial crisis, according to a government report Wednesday.

Overlooked on economy? Rising paychecks for blue-collar ...
www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/08/14/blue...
Aug 14, 2019 • Blue-collar path to solid paycheck. And as blue-collar workers have seen their wallets thicken, highly educated white-collar workers’ wages have grown more modestly.

• Pay
gains under Trump best since the Great Recession
www.cnbc.com/2018/01/31/pay-gains-under-trumps...
Jan 31, 2018 • President Donald Trump's first full year in office saw gains that easily outdistanced any year for his predecessor, Barack Obama, whose best showing was the 2.2 percent increases in 2016 and 2014. Six of Obama's eight years in office saw gains of 2 percent or less.