Was Trump mad not bad. (or good)

I'm retired, so the impact on me is minimal. But just because you may not see an impact he has had on your life, doesn't mean he hasn't had one on millions of others. Like Blacks, Hispanics and Asians all seeing the lowest unemployment ever. Single mothers getting help with child care and people with little or no skill for getting better jobs getting job training to improve their life. Convicts getting a new lease on life with a new program to help them get jobs when they get out. Just because you don't see any improvement in your life, doesn't mean millions haven't

 

Well it seems you sort of forget what the other experts were saying Lets look at some of them. He didn't tell anyone to inject a disinfectant into their body. He asked a question if something like that could be done and was told no.

Here’s a WHO advisory from Jan. 14 trying to tell people that it couldn’t be transmitted between humans, according to China. https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama...-said-it-wasnt-contagious-destroyed-evidence/


He was told in January 21, just eight days before WHO came out and said how dangerous the virus really was. That it wasn't any worse than the flue.https://nj1015.com/is-dr-fauci-right-about-covid-19-opinion/

 

Another advice from the experts three months after we found out how dangerous the virus was.

The United Nations public health agency previously recommended in early April only healthcare workers, those infected with the coronavirus and their caregivers should wear medical masks. WHO at the time said the use of medical masks among the general public could create a false sense of security and cause people to ignore social distancing measures and hygiene practices. The agency said another concern was people may contaminate themselves by touching their face more frequently when they adjust, remove and dispose of their masks. Medical mask supplies were also needed by medical professionals overwhelmed by the coronavirus pandemic.
https://thehill.com/changing-americ...25-who-no-evidence-wearing-a-mask-can-protect

 

You know I have no love lost for Orange Jesus but, I kinda lean toward him (but not too close;- )a bit on this one. Sure, he's an idiot. No doubt about that. Yes, he spoke out of turn but anybody that gets their medical opinions from a politician probably was already a strong contender for a Darwin Award.

 

People were dying in big numbers , hospitals were stretched to the limit. ...........and there is a question of how dangerous it was?? There are some things that Trump did and said that are indefensible. Full Stop. When one views him in the context of mental unhealth.........his behavior makes "sense" .........in a pathological way.

 

indeed. ergo politicians should NEVER make statements that could be interpreted as medical advice. or even "suggestion"........... or idle musing .

People look up to their leaders for guidance ......... and his role was t o encourage folks to follow the medical advice .........particularly when there is a pandemic unfolding that is new......... where information is changing almost daily ...............as the professionals try to get a handle on it.

 

There were four Democratic Governors that sent covid patients back to nursing homes killing thousands

1. www.realclearpolitics.com › articles › 2020/06/15House GOP: Dems' COVID Policy for Nursing Homes Was Deadly ...
   Jun 15, 2020 · “The decision of several governors to ignore CDC protocols and mandate COVID-positive patients go back to their nursing homes ended up being a death sentence for some of our country’s most ...
   
   
2. nypost.com › 2020/05/16 › blame-governors-forBlame governors for coronavirus deaths in nursing homes: Goodwin
   May 16, 2020 · Gov. Andrew Cuomo of New York and Gov. Phil Murphy of New Jersey issued almost identical orders in late March requiring nursing homes to accept COVID-19 patients being.

You had Nancy Pelosi, the Mayors of NY and New Orleans, the NY Health Department, telling people to go out, ride the subway, go to China Town, go out to eat, the virus isn't that bad. This was weeks after WHO said how dangerous the virus was and after Trump closed the border to China. Against the wishes of Biden I might add.

https://www.facebook.com/trish.kallmann/videos/3716012621773030/

 

NotMNJ1withstanding Orange Jesus, specifically, for a moment, do you any idea the

Trump's call with Woodward proves that statement false. He knew and he withheld it so people didn't panic. T

OJ didn't have to say inject bleach. He was supposed to say nothing.
OJ didn't need to blurt out he was taking Hydroxychloroquine.
OJ didn't have to say don't wear masks (all he had to do is ignore the CDC's information and his supporters followed suit).

He's not a medical care professional.

 

The military aspirations of China/Russia are a function of our own creation .. especially Russia. When you put ABM's on Russia's border - destabilizing nuclear detente' - what did you expect them to do ?

1) roll over and die
2) take counter measures to restabilize the balance of power

Obviously only a moron does not realize the answer is 2 = we have a whole lot of Moron's over at the Pentagon.

When the cold war ended Russia was beyond broke .. had given up on trying to match US -plane for plane - ship for ship. Instead they focused on Niche technologies .. Anti Ship missiles (missiles in general) being one of them. You can build a whole lot of anti-ship missiles at 1 million a pop for the price of a 15 Billion dollar aircraft carrier - not including armada and op costs.

This is just simple math -- well within the capacity of the Morons over at the Pentagon to understand - and in fact these are not morons ... so what gives ? Leave you to come up with explanation.

In 2000 .. The total military spend was roughly 300 Billion .. after 8 years of Bush went over 900 Billion .. over 1 Trillion under Obama. Had we maintained 2000 spend levels - increasing with inflation - we could have diverted 500 Billion/year x 16 years = 8 Trillion to infrastructure, technology, ramping up economy to compete in third millennium.

Instead we threw this money down the toilet fighting pointless regime change wars- to fill the pockets of the Military Industrial Oligopolies who dictate foreign policy .. a policy that is not in the best interests of the Nation - which gives you the answer to the above question.

What is the purpose of this massive conventional force .. who is this big enemy massing at our doorstep - that we are going to have some massive conventional battle with ? Answer -- there isn't one. The Homeland is defended not by our conventional forces .. but by our nuclear weapons ... and if there is a threat to our homeland ... or Russia .. or China .. things will go nuclear .. in which case our conventional forces will be of no use ..

So what do we have this massive conventional force for ? Iran ? the biggest threat we face - requires what ? .. 2% maybe .. no more than 5%.

But - even if we take nukes out of the equation - which is ridiculous but lets do it - our Carriers have been obsolete in the face of modern missile technology since the introduction of the Sunburn in the mid 90's. This was the first super sonic anti ship missile ..at least a decade ahead of anything we had at the time .. and we had no defense.

India started working with Russia soon after the Sunburn came out .. and China after that. This consortia has been working together on this technology for over 20 years .. and it has advanced way faster than our (or anyones) ability to keep up. Now this technology is spreading .. smaller nations getting it - making it a whole lot more dangerous and expensive to police the world - these smaller nations .. never mind the Consortia..

What was our response to all to these advancements in missile technology ? -- outsource our Rocket technology to Russia .. and now Elon Musk is picking up the ball after realizing "Gosh" not such a good idea having to rely on Russia to get our astronauts and satellites into space.

Our policy is dumb and dumber - taking no account of the gopolitical reality - just feed money into the Military Industrial Complex pit - outsource our foreign policy to those folks.

 

Lets see what the experts and Democrat Governors said about how Trump handled the virus. Your bias news won't tell you any of what I have put up.

Democrats praise Trump.

Democratic Governors of NY, California and Washington has praised Trump for his efforts to fight this virus.
CNN's Dana Bash says Trump is the kind of leader that people need.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/17/dana-bash-praises-trumps-press-conference-the-kind/

More praise, Even CNN's Dana Bash Praises Trump as 'the Kind of Leader That People Need'. .HTTPS://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/17/Dana-bash-praises-trumps-press-conference-the-kind/


Fauci says Trump's coronavirus policy decisions helped save lives
nypost.com/2020/07/31/fauci-says-trumps-corona...
Testifying before Congress on Friday, Dr. Anthony Fauci repeatedly credited President Trump for coronavirus policy decisions that saved lives. Those measures included Trump’s decisions to ban

 

Agreed. When one of Trumps inspired ideas works its good. But that is not enough, to be a leader of a successful company (or government) you also need to be a people person. Able to hear warnings from your staff, take an interest in the details of what's going on.
IMO the reason Trumps presidency and business fails is that he is narcissistic to a level I would consider madness.

As for the economy, we may never know (because of Covid) whether his ideas for forcing manufacturing back into the country would make a permanent improvement in pay or cause inflationary pressures that wiped out the gains in the future.
One thing is certain, when it started to fail Trump would not be interested.

 

Bull crap. I put the web sight up there. Just click on it and see for yourself it's true. Click on the video of Pelosi and the New York and New Orleans Governor and see what they said from their own lips,

 

The whole thing was a horrific disorganized mess............but the buck stopped with Donald. Instead of promoting a cohesive information f ow...........and plan.............he just divided folks...........and played the clown. trying on "cute' name for people that only distracted and divided.So there were mixed messages coming from every direction. The pandemic could have made trump shine if he truly had leadership qualities.........

 

Trump wasn't a people person or a politician. He was a business man and did a hell of a job turning this economy around from the disaster Obama took it to as I have already pointed out. Obama was a great people person, but what did he do? Who helped America the most? Here is Obama's economy.

Recovery Has Created Far More Low-Wage Jobs Than Better-Paid ...
www.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/business/economy/...
Apr 27, 2014 · Economy Recovery Has Created Far More Low-Wage Jobs Than Better-Paid Ones
How good were the 10.9 million jobs under Obama?
Money.CNN.com/2016/11/04/news/economy/jobs-under-obama/...
Nov 03, 2016 · CNNMoney breaks down what kinds of jobs have been created and ... Almost all of the job gains under President Obama have been in so-called service jobs,

The deep recession wiped out primarily high-wage and middle-wage jobs. Yet the strongest employment growth during the sluggish recovery has been in low-wage work, at places like strip malls and fast-food restaurants.

In essence, the poor economy has replaced good jobs with bad ones. That is the conclusion of a new report from the National Employment Law Project, a research and advocacy group, analyzing employment trends four years into the recovery.

“Fast food is driving the bulk of the job growth at the low end — the job gains there are absolutely phenomenal,” said Michael Evangelist, the report’s author. “If this is the reality — if these jobs are here to stay and are going to be making up a considerable part of the economy — the question is, how do we make them better?”

The report shows that total employment has finally surpassed its pre-recession level. “The good news is we’re back to zero,” Mr. Evangelist said.

But job losses and gains have been skewed. Higher-wage industries — like accounting and legal work — shed 3.6 million positions during the recession and have added only 2.6 million positions during the recovery. But lower-wage industries lost two million jobs, then added 3.8 million.
HTTPS://www.nytimes.com/…/recovery-has-created-far-more-low…
77 percent of 2013 jobs were part-time positions ...
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/2/part-timer-nation...
Aug 02, 2013 · Fully 77 percent of positions added to the market in 2013 have been part-time, in contrast to the positive economic news making the media rounds, according to payroll reports released in recent weeks.
"There are now 1.2 million fewer jobs in mid- and higher-wage industries than there were before the Great Recession, according to data from the National Employment Law Project. In contrast, there are 2.3 million more jobs in lower-wage sectors than before the recession," according to CNBC. Nor is there the hoped-for renaissance in American manufacturing. We have some 300,000 fewer manufacturing jobs since President Barack Obama took office and 1.5 million jobs below the pre-recession level.
https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/08/23/the-part-time-economic-recovery

 

Poverty level under Obama breaks 50-year record ...
https://www.washingtontimes.com/.../obamas-rhetoric-on......

Jan 07, 2014 · A record 47 million Americans receive food stamps, about 13 million more than when he took office.


Welfare At All-Time High Under Obama

The latest government figures reveal that an astonishing number of people are collecting public benefits such as food stamps and disability checks, revealing an alarming trend of dependence on government rather than self-sufficiency associated with the American dream.

A record 5.4 million workers have applied for federal disability checks since President Obama took office, according to a news report that cites recent government figures. This is straining already-stretched government finances while posing a long-term economic threat by creating an ever-growing pool of permanently dependent working-age Americans, the report says.

Since the recession supposedly ended in mid 2009, the number of people who have applied for disability benefits is double the job growth figure, according the report which includes an informative chart. In just the first four months of this year, 539,000 joined the disability rolls and more than 725,000 applied for the federal benefit. That means nearly 11 million people are on disability, according to the Social Security Administration.

Also this week, government figures reveal that a record number are getting food stamps and the figure will keep rising. This is not surprising since the Obama Administration has promoted the program like there’s no tomorrow in an effort to eradicate “food insecure households.” In fact, the administration has spent millions of dollars to recruit even more food-stamp recipients and has doled out hefty cash rewards to states that sign up the most people. One state even bragged about a $5 million performance bonus it got from the feds for its “swift processing of applications.”https://www.judicialwatch.org/.../welfare-at-all-time.../

 

Well what did you expect? Look at the information he was getting from the (EXPERTS). It can't be transferred to humans. It's not any worse than the flue. You are better off not wearing a mask. He didn't know what to believe.

 

Just tell me one thing. Why is it the bias news hasn't told you people any of this? All you ever heard is Trump did this or that. They never reported on any of all the good things he did to turn this country around or to fight this virus. Why is that? Never told you the truth about Obama's economy or how badly he fought the war against ISIS. They have lied about everything.

 

Your right. Trump should ask those questions to experts in private, not where the bias news can twist it around as they did. People also look to the experts to give us the right advice and they sure haven't done that either.

 

Most of them, yes. Compare nations like South Korea and Australia to the USA and you can't come to any other conclusion but that Trump is probably responsible for a majority of the 5 million deaths WORLDWIDE. Who ELSE kept ON trying to tell us this would "go away" once it got warmer while mass graves were being filled?

 

With people like you why would it matter what anyone did? We could ALL be dead and you would NEVER admit that Trump was responsible

 

Please don't use that language with me.

Are you claiming that Trump did NOT tell Woodward that the virus was bad and then openly admitted that he wanted to downplay it to the American public when that conversation was released?

I need a temperature reading here. Are you willfully revising history or in complete denial that all that other stuff you wrote is designed to eclipse his abysmal pandemic response?

 

They don't need to admit that. We already know they want all of us, that don't agree with their <censoring myself> to die or get out of "their" country.

 

Has nothing to do with supporting Trump. Don't let your emotions get involved in something that isn't there.

 

Why was Trump unable to access the information the rest of the world could get?

 

You mean like the virus can't be transferred to humans? Or that it isn't any worse than the flue? Or maybe your talking about you being better off not wearing a mask/ All told by our experts. Why is it most of the rest of the world never heard of any of that? Could it be the bias news only wants you to hear what they tell you and nothing more?