WATCH LIVE: Two Dead, One Wounded After Shooting Reported at White Settlement Church

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  1. JET3534

    JET3534 Well-Known Member

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    Although I don't believe in the supernatural, I do go with my wife to a non-denominational church weekly and I am always armed. My wife who is far more involved with the church than I am, believes that this church has an armed security team -- but of course this is not something made public. My wife also goes to another mainstream denomination church (I do not) where the preacher has instructed people not to bring guns to church but I know at least one person who attends armed. A church is probably not a good target for a terrorist attack where I live.
     
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  2. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Assuming from your post you do have a religious faith what morals do you believe you hold that are unique and indicative of that faith that I as a person who does not have faith in supernatural beings does not?
     
  3. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Seemed Texas and his church made a very rational decision about the 2nd Amnendment but Biden disagrees

    "But Joe Biden doesn’t think so. Here’s what he said about the Texas church gun law after it was signed by Governor Greg Abbott:

    “Dealing with firearms, it is irrational, with all due respect to the governor of Texas, irrational what they are doing. On the very day you see a mass shooting … and we’re talking about loosening access to have guns, to be able to take them into places of worship, it’s just absolutely irrational. It’s totally irrational.”"
    https://thepoliticalinsider.com/vid...that-just-helped-stop-a-shooter-in-6-seconds/

    Same with Juilian Castro

    "These laws are a mistake,” Castro said on "AM Joy," adding that if this past August has proven anything, it’s that more guns aren’t the answer. “The idea that a good guy with a gun is gonna stop a bad guy with a gun, it doesn’t work that way.”"
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...control-draw-outrage-advocates-after-n1048746

    Yes it does work that, you just disqualified yourself.
     
  4. Daniel Light

    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    If you mean "my side" that likes responsible gun-ownership and believes in personal ownership of guns ... then ...
    no, you're just wrong calling this a " side".
    It's a Catch 22 situation. There is no "win" here.
     
  5. ArmySoldier

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    So a man that saves countless lives because he was responsibly carrying and shot the active shooter is not in any way a "win"?

    He's a hero. He's already got Gofundme's from Veteran organizations, LEO communities...etc.

    Yea, it's a win that someone was there to stop the active shooter. I'm sure the families of those that survived are very happy that he was there to help them. That's a win in a way.

    Once again- your side wishes that there wasn't a good guy with a gun to stop the active shooter. That is a major loss for you.
     
  6. TOG 6

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    And yet, you're happy to do just that every time someone shoots up a school full of kids.
    You see them less and victims and more as opportunities.
     
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  7. SiNNiK

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    With one shot too. Damn.
     
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  8. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A great man, and a hero. Even though the left wants to bury him
     
  9. SiNNiK

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    And so much for the narrative of so many armed people responding at once resulting in a blood bath because every one is shooting everyone who is holding a gun because "no one knows who the bad guy is".
     
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  10. TOG 6

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  11. SiNNiK

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    I like his beard. Been wondering what to do with mine. It's unruly.
     
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    Should be called www.liars.com.
     
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  13. Daniel Light

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    No. I wish (you seem to think I am some sort of collective) that the bad guy with the gun hadn't been able to get the gun. I am not sorry that armed people stopped him. But it was not a win - two innocent people died. Only time there is a "win" is when no innocent people die.
     
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    There are some exceptions for collectors, but I don't know of any such legally owned guns used to commit a violent crime.
     
  15. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    And yet they are.
    Why?
    Because laws cannot prevent people determined to break the law from breaking the law.
    The unnecessary and ineffective restrictions you seek to lay on the law abiding will do nothing to change this.
     
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  16. SiNNiK

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    There are specific laws preventing that specific guy from getting that specific gun, and they all failed like we told you they would. Now you will pretend that you don't know why those laws didn't work, so I'll tell you now.

    Criminals don't respect the law.
     
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  17. SiNNiK

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    No buddy, you too can own these very weapons. Provided you do belong to a group that is prevented from owning firearms, like a felon, or insane.
     
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    No one is saying that the innocent people dying is a win. Your party and your side keeps shifting that goal post. The win is that the armed citizen heroically killed the active shooter before he could kill many more. Would you say the families of those that lived would say that's a win or a loss?

    Don't worry. We know you won't answer without a deflection again.
     
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    Great!! Confirms I will never go into a church in Texas.... or Texas...

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    "The Meek shall inherit the earth.... until we blow those mother ****ers away"
     
  20. SiNNiK

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    A good guy stopped a bad guy with a gun.

    Win.
     
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    It is illegal in CA, NJ and other states.
     
  22. Daniel Light

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    So you are arguing that we could have a shooting a day and as long as there are survivors, it's a win ... really?
     
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    I don't know who fps Russia is. Anyways I provided the link about the limitations.
     
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    That's fine.
     
  25. ArmySoldier

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    I appreciate you proving the last part of my post. It makes sense. Your party loves doing that!

    I know you guys wish the good guy with the gun wasn't there to save countless more lives. However, you lost. He was there, and he saved many lives.
     
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