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We are about to see a check on honor and integrity.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Lee Atwater, Sep 19, 2020.

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm not at all surprised. That doesn't make it less disappointing.
     
    Lee Atwater, Sep 20, 2020
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The question going forward is whether Dems will realize Repubs have no scruples, none, and act accordingly.
     
    Lee Atwater, Sep 20, 2020
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    huh the GOP gave you all what you wanted and did away with Biden Rule...and now you are upset????
     
    struth, Sep 20, 2020
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    After the Democrat's disgraceful Kavanaugh debacle behavior, they deserve nothing less than a taste of their own medicine.
     
    Creasy Tvedt, Sep 20, 2020
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  5. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What does the consideration by Dems of credible accusations of sexual abuse by a SC nominee have to do McConnell's duplicity?

    In normal times the WH would have consented to a thorough FBI background check, or, the withdrawal of the nominee to avoid tainting the SC. The disgraceful behavior regarding Schlitz's nomination was the Repub's and theirs alone.
     
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    Lee S Moderator Staff Member Past Donor

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    I am glad you brought up the concept of power politics. Otto Bismark first coined the term Machtpolitik in the late 1800's and espoused a theory that might makes right. If one has the power, then one should use that power. This was the basis of the Democrats passing Obamacare even though it was massively unpopular with the people. As Barack Obama said, "Elections have consequences."

    I think the thing that is galling to those on the left is the disparity of the treatment of Merrick Garland and the upcoming rush to get Ruth Bader Ginsburg's replacement bullrushed through the Senate. Why the difference? Because the Republicans controlled the Senate in both instances and they are using machtpolitiks to steamroll the opposition because they can. But are the Republicans completely culpable on this use of power? No. The democrats made two decisions that handed way too much power to the republicans.

    The first decision the Democrats made that allows this to happen was that they decided to cater to elitism and show disdain and contempt for what they call 'flyover' territory. The two coasts were where the democrats decided to throw their support and everything between the two coasts was for the deplorables and those cling to guns and Bibles. The South were considered a bunch of back woods, toothless, cousin kissin' hillbillies. The Midwest were a bunch of farmers and anyone could farm. Just put seeds in the ground, according to Michael Bloomburg. That contempt is a luxury the democrats could not afford. That contempt will result in decades of a strongly conservative Supreme Court.

    The second decision that created this situation was, of course, the changing of cloture rules in the Senate by Harry Reid. Harry Reid firmly believed that the Democrats would maintain power for decades so he engaged in Machtpolitik of his own and got rid of the 60 member cloture rule to bring a vote to the floor of the Senate for appointments. This misguided hubris now makes it impossible for the Democrats to stop a Supreme Court nomination. Using the nuclear option turned out to be a ridiculously short-sighted decision and now the fallout is returning to the sender.

    The sad part is, a seat on the Supreme Court is a lifelong appointment. It deserves careful deliberation and a thoughtful discussion. That isn't going to happen in this case. The President isn't going to find Mrs. Right, he is going to settle for Mrs. Right now. This could be a detriment to the entire nation.
     
    Lee S, Sep 20, 2020
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    The Repubs blocked Obama from filling a seat because they said a seat shouldn’t be filled in an election year. This is an election year...seat shouldn’t be filled, right? Fair is fair, right?
     
    ECA, Sep 20, 2020
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    McConnell applied the Biden Rule...the left whined...he changed the rule for you all.....you got what you wanted
     
    struth, Sep 20, 2020
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    We are about to see a check on honor and integrity
    Aren't you talking about politics? What honor and integrity?
     
    fmw, Sep 20, 2020
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  10. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Absolutely ridiculous. While Trump has paid lip service to concern for the middle class it has always been the case, and still is, that the GOP represents the wealthy and the interests of corporations. It's a party that has cobbled together a coalition of single issue constituents (guns, gays, abortion, bigotry) and summarily screwed them while passing legislation ignoring their concerns. Furthermore, the Dem party is not an abstraction. It is made up of people who have largely migrated to urban areas, not only on the coasts but in middle America. It didn't decide anything as if it is an entity un to itself.
    As for the deplorables, read Hillary's quote. She was referring to the half of Trump supporters who engage in bigotry, homophobia, misogynism, etc., not necessarily residents of the bible belt. Though if the shoe fits...................................

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-many-of-trumps-supporters-really-are-deplorable/
     
    Lee Atwater, Sep 20, 2020
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think you've made that false equivalence before.
     
    Lee Atwater, Sep 20, 2020
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    You believe there is honor and integrity in politics? Certainly you are kidding.
     
    fmw, Sep 20, 2020
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    there was a fbi investigation. Dr Ford was lying. Kavanaugh was exonerated.

    RBG was disgusted how the dems acted at that hearing
     
    struth, Sep 20, 2020
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    I didn’t get anything. I’m just looking for consistency. The Repubs said a seat shouldn’t be filled in the year of an election. This is an election year therefore the seat shouldn’t be filled. Once Trump is re-elected he can fill it.
     
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    certainly you did. we killed the outdated biden rule that the dems didn’t like
     
    struth, Sep 20, 2020
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    Ask your self if the political parties were reversed,
    What would Chuckie and Nancy do?
     
    Jestsayin, Sep 20, 2020
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    Okay, so everything hangs fire with a 4-4 court and Roberts carrying Biden's water just like Obama's, running this past the January cutoff when the Electoral College votes are cast and counted and the real winner declared---until Dems fight that too.

    They could lose by 20 million votes and scream fix. It's what they do --- scream it and do it. How the frack else did we wind up with a fuddled old git like Biden? Dems are absolutely the worst on earth at losing gracefully, the ones completely unable and unwilling to ever once admit a mistake.

    After the popular vote goes so unimaginably lopsided to Trump that Biden cannot challenge it, THEN what? How can you go back and discover say millions of "lost" votes? How do you excuse riots when the people actually had their say and leftist propagandists cannot change it?
     
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    Harry Reid had a hand in it. Another Dem shooting Dems in the foot.
     
    quiller, Sep 20, 2020
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    I think you are saying that if the democrats don't get their way, there will hell to pay, and gross injustice. If they do get their way, there will be hell to pay and gross injustice.
    IF the democrats could control the supreme court- it would be 100% democrat liberals, because anything less is surely some kind of evil scheme designed to take over the country.
    They would deem it righteous, and in a situation as exists right now- appoint and confirm as quickly as possible, doing exactly what they want to demonize Trump for doing.
    Double speak, double standard. Nothing new- we see it everyday. Zero cred for the dem politicians these days, in the eyes of anyone with a rational mind and fair judgement.
     
    spiritgide, Sep 20, 2020
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    Yoda says projection is strong in this one.
     
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    Meanwhile, with straight faces, they burn hundreds of businesses, ruin thousands of lives, probably bankrupt one or more insurance companies, and sternly lecture us about the violent right, holy night-riders or somesuch.

    They can't seize the food supply. It is that cold and that simple. They will starve and lose.
     
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    Pssst...I’ve never voted for a Dem....ever
    Again, I’m looking for consistency. Repubs said not seat filled during election year. This is an election year. No seat filled till Trump is re-elected. Easy peasy
     
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    Reid is a hero
    that was with old Biden rule. That rule doesn’t exist anymore because the dems wanted it over turned. They got their wish
     
    struth, Sep 20, 2020
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    Repubs established precedent with refusing to fill seat in election year. This is an election year so seat shouldn’t be filled.
     
    ECA, Sep 20, 2020
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    the gop didn’t create the Biden Rule. Rules can be changed. Biden did. a lot of dumb stuff while in the senate that later had to be changed. this was one of them
     
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