What Alito Gets Wrong About the History of Abortion in America

You seem awfully angry that your party can't continue to manage the minority population of the nation using abortion. That isn't a good look for you or your team.

 

That is a very dangerous and fundamentally non American idea. Many of the Founding Fathers were against the Bill of Rights because they said that some would do just exactly what you are doing.

The Bill of Rights is not in the Body of the Constitution and this is because the Constitution exists to PROTECT our rights. not to take them away, either by "enumerating" some and not others or by any other means.

Nobody is saying you have to have an abortion.

 

Bullcrap.

Certain rights are spelled out in the Constitution. Abortion is NOT one of them.

 

Abortion is not a Right.

 

Banning abortion IS slavery...it's taking away women's right to bodily autonomy EXACTLY what happened to slaves.
There is no right to abortion but there is, and should be , a right to our own bodies.

OK, you say ""There is no fundamental human right to kill another human.""

But you claim a fetus is a person and want it to have the right to harm and kill the woman's it's in....and take away a woman's right to self defense....you want the fetus to have MORE rights than born people!!!

 

Abortion is a fiercely contested issue and both sides believe they hold the moral high ground. The US Constitution provides a unique solution for a problem like this: return the question to the states. That is the course the SCOTUS has wisely chosen.

 

The wise choice would have been to leave the decision to individual women and their doctors no matter what state they live in.

 

1) SCOTUS did not BAN abortion.
2) Banning abortion is NOT slavery.
3) It is disgusting to compare the two.

 

We disagree. I am personally pro-choice but I have believed Roe was wrongly decided for a long time.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Banning abortion IS slavery...it's taking away women's right to bodily autonomy EXACTLY what happened to slaves.
There is no right to abortion but there is, and should be , a right to our own bodies.

OK, you say ""There is no fundamental human right to kill another human.""

But you claim a fetus is a person and want it to have the right to harm and kill the woman's it's in....and take away a woman's right to self defense....you want the fetus to have MORE rights than born people!!!

I NEVER said SCOTUS banned abortion....are you "imagining" things?

Banning abortion IS slavery...it's taking away women's right to bodily autonomy EXACTLY what happened to slaves.
There is no right to abortion but there is, and should be , a right to our own bodies.

OK, you say ""There is no fundamental human right to kill another human.""

But you claim a fetus is a person and want it to have the right to harm and kill the woman's it's in....and take away a woman's right to self defense....you want the fetus to have MORE rights than born people!!!

 

SCOTUS didn't ban anything

Banning abortion is NOT slavery and i

 

Of course, the opposite is true now that the dog has caught the car. How to keep the base engaged? Go after gay marriage.

 

In fact, the history of abortion in American has always been part of the history of genocidal systemic institutional racism and ethnic cleansing in America.

"The domestic population policy U.S. government has an undeniably racist edge. Native American, Chicana, Puerto Rican and Black women continue to be sterilized in disproportionate numbers. According to a National Fertility Study conducted in 1970 by Princeton University's office of Population Control, 20% of all married Black women have been permanently sterilized. I'm probably the same percentage of Chicana women had been rendered surgically infertile. Moreover, 43% of the women sterilized through federally subsidized programs were Black."
WOMEN RACE AND POWER, Angela Y. Davis, Random House, NY, 1980. p. 219.

 

I'm pro-choice. But, that doesn't mean that Roe and Casey were correctly decided from a legal standpoint. Nobody cares what a woman does to her body. They care what she does to someone else's body. Both Roe and Casey recognize the right of the state to have an interest in protecting the life of the unborn child.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Banning abortion IS slavery...it's taking away women's right to bodily autonomy EXACTLY what happened to slaves.
There is no right to abortion but there is, and should be , a right to our own bodies.

OK, you say ""There is no fundamental human right to kill another human.""

But you claim a fetus is a person and want it to have the right to harm and kill the woman's it's in....and take away a woman's right to self defense....you want the fetus to have MORE rights than born people!!!




I NEVER said SCOTUS banned abortion....are you "imagining" things?

Banning abortion IS slavery...it's taking away women's right to bodily autonomy EXACTLY what happened to slaves.
There is no right to abortion but there is, and should be , a right to our own bodies.

OK, you say ""There is no fundamental human right to kill another human.""

But you claim a fetus is a person and want it to have the right to harm and kill the woman's it's in....and take away a woman's right to self defense....you want the fetus to have MORE rights than born people!!!

I see you can't address my post without "imagining" things..

SHOW where I said the SCOTUS banned abortion or admit you "imagined" it because you have nothing else

 

I'm just reporting what the article says. I wouldn't know.

 

According to religious fanatics we have no rights. Who are we to question God?

 

I wouldn't know about the quickening argument, I'm just reporting it because the argument was made. I had never heard of it.

On your other point..

But Roe has granted the right to abortion for 50 years, voted 7-2 of whom five of the justices voting were appointed by Republicans. Since then, it has been upheld in 17 reproduction rights related cases spanning those 50 years. That fact, and that they took it away something they granted for 50 years, is all that will matter to those who have enjoyed that right, none of the intellectual arguments for why they did it will matter.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Banning abortion IS slavery...it's taking away women's right to bodily autonomy EXACTLY what happened to slaves.
There is no right to abortion but there is, and should be , a right to our own bodies.

OK, you say ""There is no fundamental human right to kill another human.""

But you claim a fetus is a person and want it to have the right to harm and kill the woman's it's in....and take away a woman's right to self defense....you want the fetus to have MORE rights than born people!!!

But they don't care what "someone else's " body does to the woman.

WHY does that "someone else" have more rights than any born person?

Unless they conflict with someone else's rights...the rights of women, something the Right wants destroyed.

 

An 'unborn' child is an nonexistent one by definition. Stop making people up and then claiming them as your constituency.

 

I don't know and don't particularly care how accurate or inaccurate Alito was with abortion history, or whether he agrees or disagrees with abortion in various contexts. It is irrelevant to the court's deciding Dobb (with Alito writing the majority opinion). Dobb was ruled entirely on the fact that the court had no business nor authority to issue the Roe v Wade ruling in the first place.

 

The woman cares what the pregnancy and child birth does to her body. She has a right to stop or prevent physical injury or death. It's the same in principle to the right to self defense or the right to refuse to donate an organ.

 

Irrelevant to the topic, there are already laws in place to protect that.

 

The principle behind those existing laws should suffice to convince everyone of the logic behind abortion rights.

 

No one I know is "going after" gay marriage. Unless it is the group of liberal talking heads who are threatening the people with it's possibility. You might want to call off your dogs if you're really worried about this.