What are Progressive Values?

Stability is more important than you think. Yes, we should strive to have a better society, but we cannot simply throw out the baby with the bathwater, and temperance is important.

Do you really believe that we aren't moving fast enough? We are wantonly overthrowing traditions that have been around since the beginning of history like it's nothing. We have major cultural and social problems that didn't even exist in the past. If anything, we need to slow down, big time.

I can't believe you just said that--looks like we agree on this one. I figured you were against it because they can be impediments to the advancement of markets.

 

I don't care who your god or king is if we're making a business deal on a microwave oven. You give me the money, I give you the microwave, and we're both happy.

 

I'll take the money, and you can have the microwave.

 

The point is that the free market is one area where people of vastly disparate values can find a common purpose, and because of that, it's more profitable to do business than it is to kill each other.

 

I agree. Commerce is a great thing.

 

I have been listening, but so far, there have been only a very few self proclaimed progressives that will even attempt to define their morals.

The sadness should be for your own flock that live in a moral abyss.

 

That is the direction of the elite progressives who try to shape all of our thinking.

 

According to you and Rush Limbaugh ... real world, not so much.

But if you're going to ask a question of someone, then dismiss their answers with a definition of your own choosing ... well, that's not really a discussion, that's just masturbation on the internet.

So why are you surprised that most liberals simply ignore your public attempt at self-abuse?

 

You see, your mistake is that people have morals when they wear them on their sleeve. Many people I know, no matter what political denomination, don't feel the need to do so. The ones that tout their morals the most are often the most suspicious to me.

This thread points to a bigger problem, though: The idea touted by the most vocal "values" voters that you have to be white and Christian to have values and to be a good person. Case in point the 2004 elections. The media analyzed it as the "values" voters voting for Bush, implicating that the Kerry voters had no values. This is the kind of judgmental c r a p that this thread and the whole Christian right is based upon.

I was honestly told by someone in a different thread that, because I am an agnostic, I will go to hell and they are not, as they are Christian. Despite the fact that that person is one of the most nasty and vile posters on this board. So much for living by "values". If those are the values that right wing touts, I can pass on them, but I happily live by my own moral code, which I don't have to advertise to the world that doesn't want to hear it, or intentionally wants to make me feel like a lesser person for it.

 

There are going to be piles of conflicting data---but more accurate data puts the percentage of adults in America not in the workforce at about 37%

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...proves-slightly-94m-americans-not-labor-force

Unlike my pioneer ancestors who came here over 200 years ago for freedom and a chance to work and own their own way of life---

---the floods of people (mostly illegals) coming here now want a free ride and want to take in more than they put into the system.

Your high ideals of everyone getting a pension is just not workable. In fact, every American citizens now is each $64,000 in the hole just for our national debt alone.

Being a Christian, I think it is the Church that should provide charity---NOT the government---it simply isn't theirs to give. However, pulling plug straight-away on so many entitlement-seekers would create a melt-down.

Until a better system of work for reward can take effect, at least I would allow the Feds to supply real food commodities (not SNAP cards), tents for shelter and temporary medical care for those unable---and generally unwilling to work.

 

I doubt you can claim to be a Marxist---the demands a classless society controlled by a powerful central government, and then support self determination---whereby a person controls their own life. I do get the the resisting part---as Marxists have been so effective at putting so many millions in gulags and mass graves.

 

You are hilarious. Christian conservatives then hate gays and want more dead soldiers. Conservative ideology must be stopped! LOL

 

Perhaps you should create your own thread "btthgreat's Treatise on What Progressive Values Really Are."

 

If Christians didn't believe the scores of their own moral teachings in the Bible---they wouldn't be very good Christians, would they?

However, coming to non-believers such as yourself, what morals should you hope to obey when they are not set in stone and are constantly "progressing?"

I would have hoped to get more answers from the Progressive crowd like:

-it's wrong to murder and attack people for criminal intent.
-it's wrong to steal.
-it's wrong to cheat
-it's wrong to give false witness and testimony.
-it's wrong to willingly take from others when you don't do your fair share....

Maybe I missed something among all the posts---but it's sad to see such simple moral values not be demanded

 

Bush junior made income tax more progressive. That is in the purview of progressive ideology.

 

I haven't not received too many lists from die-hard progressives. But are you you going to be surprised when I disagree with their values?

I'm not seeing much from the top Progressive Leadership on their list of moral values. A list of them from Obama, Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders would be nice.

 

I don't think we can top the body count of dead soldiers from liberal Dems and their wars in WW2, Korea and Vietnam for some time.

Homosexuality is either morally wrong or it is not.

 

From my above post:

Here is a (not exclusive) list of what I value:

-Life (all life, not just the unborn)
-Family
-Hard work
-Education
-Character
-Compassion
-Community

Now, excuse me that I didn't include in that list that I think it is wrong to steal or cheat. But, I already see where you are going with this: Since nor "progressive" explicitly told you they think stealing is wrong, you think they all like to steal. As I said before, you have no intention to listen what progressive say, you just want to reinforce your delusional preconception of "conservative = good, progressive = bad".

As to the Christians: They can believe in their morals all they want. However, if they don't live according to their moral code, they are not much of a Christian, are they? And I don't see them actually living the teachings of Christ, they just want to pontificate to others over them, to make themselves feel better and hope that they don't go to hell when they die. Newsflash: If god exists, he/she won't look at how much someone proclaimed to be Christian, or how much they prayed, god will look at actions. And in actions, Christians often fall very short of the ideal, especially the ones who wear Christianity on their sleeve.

 

Yes ....only dems vote for war. Are you mad we defeated hitler in ww2? I guess he was a real role model for you conservatives. LOL

 

Did you watch any of the democrat debates?

My favorite part was Bernie and Hillary arguing over who is the least moderate, and who is the most progressive.....

Bernie: Hillary you're a moderate

Hillary: no I'm not, I'm more progressive than you..

Bernie: no way, I'm a socialist, so I'm way better....

Hillary: no way, I'm more socialist than you

Etc

It's pretty ridiculous

 

There is a place for authoritarianism, but government is not that place.

 

I'm only mad we allowed Stalin to take over half of Europe----but I guess Progressives don't like to talk about that much.

Hitler was socialist. Conservatives aren't the ones calling themselves that.

 

Wait ....now you are in favor of that war....you are all over the map buddy. Typical conservative. LOL

 

Lots of people call themselves Christians. Even Barak Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Al Sharpton claim this. However, there are so very few Christians these days that not only try to live right, but even attempt to defend the very teachings of the very one they name themselves after.

I don't blame you at all for seeing the sorry state of today's Christians---certainly with so many of their top world and church leaders---like the current Pope.

I find people like Bernie Sanders more easy to be believable. When he says he's an atheist and a socialist---I believe him 100%.

 

When did I say I didn't support all wars? I'm not a Jehovah's Witness, ya know. I did my time in the military.

Are you a socialist?