What if the border wall isn’t effective?

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  1. gabmux

    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Isn't that due to the fact that many of those that attempted to cross the wall were shot on site?
     
  2. Observing

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    What parent would send their kid out to be shot? Anyone who would attempt to scale the wall should be thought to be bring drugs in. The sign says you will be shot.
     
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    YOu can't fine 3rd party people. the fines against the company should be high enough to hurt shareholders, they will then get a new board of directors.
     
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    Your comment is insipid. At what length does a wall cease to be a wall?
     
  5. Belch

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    If the border wall doesn't work well enough, then it'll be just like any other government solution. Hell, if it's as bad as lefty solutions like social welfare services, we'll be flooded with a lot more illegal aliens.

    You never worried about all those ineffective "war on poverty" solutions that inevitably create even more poor people, so why start worrying now?
     
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    You can fine the dividends.
     
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    Would you include hispanic sub contractors who hire illegal aliens?

    Because most illegals are working in small business rather than the big companies
     
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    As soon as you can not see people climbing over it
     
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    You will save money with cheaper ammo for the children too
     
  10. JakeStarkey

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    You ever been to a Typson or Pilgrim's Pride chicken plant? Or other processing plants through the South and the Upper Midwest? But to the misinformed questiion, yes. If it is done knowingly, punish everyone in the know and the business.
     
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    I know that there is corporate cheating also

    But far more takes place in small business
     
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    That would be the purpose so that you can see people crossing over. That is why it is only part of the solution not all of it. We have nearly 200 border patrol per mile of border. Adding a wall, makes them more effective.
     
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    You are cannot quantify 'far more' at all.

    But . . . who cares. Punish everyone.
     
  14. JakeStarkey

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    We have 400,000 in the BP? Let's have some citation on that from government sources, please.
     
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    You are not thinking sensibly at all. You are channeling the proggie talking points, talking points that have been refuted and discarded long ago.
     
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    Battle3 is channeling freedom caucus talking points, points that have been upended and thrown away long ago.

    There will be no wall in the House bill to the Senate next month, which bill the Senate will accept and send to the President.

    There will be several billions for Border Security for technology and personnel, but not the wall.
     
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    True

    I am not a researcher or any other kind of Know It All

    But I suspect I have this right
     
  18. JakeStarkey

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    Keep suspecting. Let's punish everyone, though.
     
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    Of course an unmanned wall won't work - do you think thats what "build a wall" means? Do you think people that want a wall are so stupid as to think an abandoned wall will be effective?

    Of course the wall will be manned. But not manned as heavily as you think.

    The purpose of a barrier is to shift the advantage to the defender. A wall is not just put up without any thought and as a simple barrier. Its put up to enhance natural geographic obstacles.

    A wall is an obstacle just like any other combat engineering obstacle - it channels invaders, it limits invaders mobility, it slows and narrows the crossing. It turns formerly easy crossings into difficult crossings, and for civilians those crossings become nearly impossible. Obstacle placement also should take advantage of and expand invader logistical problems.

    It also allows the defender (the USA) to use fewer resources to man and monitor the wall, and to concentrate those resources at the points of invasion. That also means a small mobile force can respond quickly, faster than the invader (the democRat supported illegals).

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    The wall is not just along the literal border, it wanders well inside the USA in order to take advantage of geography and accomplish what I wrote above.

    East Germany did not have that option everywhere, they had to build the Berlin wall basically on the actual border around West Germany.

    And to make up for the lack of geographic obstacles the Berlin Wall was heavily mined and manned by armed guards who were ordered to shoot to kill - and they did shoot to kill.
     
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    No it does not. It does nothing
     
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    Keep in mind that trump and stupid fit in the same sentence quite well.
     
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    Including deporting the illegal alien?
     
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    An absolute ludicrous assertion.
     
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    No it's pretty factually accurate
     
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    I have...and while there are large numbers of hispanics working in that field...most are here legally. Those companies you mentioned are highlightly watched and go through a number of safe guards...while it's true some illegals are hired, it's largely due to forged documents...another major problem with illegal immigration is the number of crimes that are committed once they are here....ID theft is horrible
     

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