What is Christian Morality

You could, but that would only expose just how brainwashed you truly are.

 

Morality is driven by virtue and the rite virtues lead to morals and ethics.

It is sad how those that criticize Christianity seem to ignore Christs teachings to men the central figure of Christianity. I don't see what christ sacrificeing himself for us (the ultimate act of love) has to do with the morality of Christianity today we should be following do you have any problems with the virtues I listed as central to Christianity because those are the virtues that make up Christian morality which answers the OP's question.


Now if you are trying to argue that there are many Christians and church leaders today and in history that have fallen off the path and are not following true Christian morality I would agree with you as I am very upset with many catholic leaders and they will be held accountable at the judgement seat of the lord for what they have done. Man will poison everything but the morality they should be following according to Christ and the early church stays the same.

Peace

Pakuaman

 

My selection of political brainwashing examples tells me it happens to the left, the right, the young, the old, in the US and abroad. That it manipulates both positive emotion (love, worship) and negative emotion (fear). That its used to precisely the same end as religious brainwashing. Whats it tell you? Do you disagree? Do you need more evidence?

Are you saying its OK to teach kids to worship a head of state as long as you agree with that head of states policy/ideology?

Why ignore NK?

 

Don't kill simply means don't murder for personal gain and personal purpose. God orders them to kill because if they will the Jews thus no salvation can reach today's humans.

The Jews are like a seed of salvation. When you try to plant a seed, you need first to remove all the weeds which could possibly endanger the seed's survival. Canaan is the field God plants the seed. The Canaanites are thus removed. God will not allow the already dead Canaanites to cause more later humans to the eternal hell by killing the Jews at the time of Moses.

Apples and oranges again. God will eliminate the Canaanites as a whole such that the Jews will survive as His message carrier to bring forward God's plan to save humans (such as today's humans). God's effort is to maximize the souls to be saved from being put to hell by Law. Children of Canaanites will fight and kill the Jews and worship idol gods when grow up. If they die as adult we will wind up in the eternal hell. If they die as children they may not be judged.

This scenario has nothing to do how children are punished for the sake of parent's sin.

My suggestion for you is to question your own IQ.

Your quick notices are thus not valid.

You won't consider someone trying hard to kill you as your neighbor for you to love, or will you?

Moses' period of time is critical in terms of how God moves forward His plan of salvation. He applies strict rules to the Jews. That's why till today the Jews remain loyal to Him. However in Jesus' time, some of the 'good Jews' such as some of the Pharisees, elders are far worse than the prostitutes in God's eyes. Moreover, Jesus is responsible for spreading the New Covenant which says humans will have to rely on faith to be saved. So if the prostitutes have more faith than the Pharisees, it is thus the prostitutes to be saved. There's nothing comparable to how Moses gave the order to stone those broke the Law. To put it another way, Jesus knows that few can rely on the Law to claim to be righteous. One can be righteous only when measuring his/her faith using the New Covenant as the standard. In this perspective, the prostitutes can be better than the Pharisees who firmly embracing the Law but never observe it to the said standard, while refusing to use faith as the new measurement.

It only says that you speculation is wrong. What you said are usually apples and oranges.

 

careful, someone might squat ur bridge

 

Is that the best you can come up with? It figures, extremely lame.

 

borhut?

 

Love, preceded by so much hate that he, as one head of the Trinity, condemned all mankind unjustly.

You might think about what you bible teaches on occasion. It is not that we are guilty for our parents sins, which is supposedly what Jesus died for.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Ezekiel 18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

Your seminary should have introduced you to an actual thinking and honest Bishop.



pakuaman

Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

Do you agree?

Regardsd
DL

 

Your venturing of topic the thread asks what is Christian morality. Not why did Jesus have to die? that is a different topic for a different thread start one if you want and we can talk about it there. I will say it will be impossible to explain the supernatural not of this world with natural logic of this world but there are many theories depending on the denomination.

All I have talked about are the virtues set by the Catholic Church which defines Christian morality that all comes from Christ's teachings. If you have a problem with that then address the virtues the teachings of Christ or freedom of excellence.

 

The Ten Commandments and many examples cited by you come from the Old Testament, which is a Jewish text, not a Christian one. The New Testament is the Christian part of the Bible. The contrasts between the two offer dramatic illustrations of the philosophical and religious differences between Judaism and Christianity. Judaic morality, like modern Islam, can be harsh and punitive. Christian morality stresses love, compassion, understanding, forgiveness, empathy, etc. The original Christian teachings were very closely aligned with the Vedic teachings of ancient India.

 

Apologies for raining on your parade self deluded parade.

The fact that you would immorally let someone else pay for your sins tells me all I need know of your morals.

Regards
DL

 

Yet Christianity came up with the notion of hell which is the reverse of love, compassion, understanding, forgiveness, empathy, etc.

It also advocates a no-divorce policy that is anything but loving and compassionate. Substitutionary punishment is also a really immoral policy.

How is your balance sheet holding up for your homophobic and misogynous religion that is everything but loving and compassionate?

Regards
DL

 

Ahh no problem just the same, it's obvious you don't care about what I have to say.

Fact is you have ignored everything I have said about what makes up Christian morality.

That and the only thing you have done is criticize me for not saving the life of a man who was killed before I was born and being thankful for his sacrifice. Even you would have to admit that's ridiculous.

Discussion over

Take care

 

Thanks for the distortion.

I said nothing of saving a life. I did speak of you using the punishment of an innocent man as your scapegoat so as to not step up to your own responsibilities for your sins.

Thanks for showing the usual Christian hypocrisy.

Regards
DL

 

And stupidity continues to reign in your little world.

 

proste

 

A point which is irrelevant to my morality because I have no control of it and the only way I could do the opposite of what you are accusing me of I would have to go back in time and try to save his life.

I didn't give him up to die his followers at the time he lived didn't want to give him up the but he did die for our sins and did so willing and for us to not be greatfull for his sacrifice would be the most insulting thing we could do. So I am eternally greatful and if you are going to criticize me for that and not attack the virtues established by the early church then there is nothing to say about the way you are trying to attack me and continued debate is pointless and we will just fall in to empty personal insults which you have already started.

I have stated the virtues of catholic morality
I have stated that I am eternally greatful for the sacrifice of Christ (which he entered willingly despite the apostles try to stop him) and do my best to follow his teachings, the virtues set forth by the church, and sincerely beg for forgiveness when I give into temptations and fall of the path (I am not perfect I will make mistakes).

Now if you think that is immoral and want to call me a brainwashed hypocrite for that so be it there is nothing to say because what I just said is sincere and truthful.

Peace

 

To be a Christian you have to accept the apostles creed and to do so means being all in for accepting the punishment of the innocent instead of the guilty.

You are so used to thinking in such a vein that you ignore your active and quite immoral choice.

Regards
DL

 

And another display of insipid responses that only show the lameness of the poster.

 

That's the point I did not chose Jesus chose. You are criticizing my morality for a choice I didn't make.

Your argument is litteraly criticizing me for accepting that something my grandfather's friend did in the 70s which saved my grandfather happened and being greatful for it.

I do accept that what happened happened and since he did it willingly when the apostles tried to stop it from happening and I am eternally greatful for it for me it's just like than any othe sacrifice but with much higher stakes.

For instance if a man and his daughter are climbing in the daughter falls and pulls her father over the edge dangling by a rope and the father has a knife and can either save himself or his daughter so he decides to cut his own rope thus sacrificing himself his so his daughter could climb up when he could have cut his daughters rope and the daughter is sad for what happened but thankful her dad saved her life

Do you think the daughters is immoral because her father sacrificed himself to save her in this story? But really not even the daughter but you are criticizing the daughters daughter.

Same thing only in Christianity the stakes were higher and Jesus was resurrected.

I mean I don't want to be blunt but that is absurd.

 

No. That girl would not be immoral but the father who put her in peril in the first place by pushing her over the cliff would certainly be. You forgot to work into your scenario that Jesus was saving your from his own condemnation of you. An unjust condemnation because no one deserves to be condemned as we are all following the natures that you think God put into you.

Try to expand your thinking away from your stupid ideology.

Here. This Bishop might be able to talk some sense into you so that you look at the whole picture and not just the prize that your satanic genocidal son murdering God is actually showing you.



Regards
DL

 

So you think Jesus would ignore all these scriptures. Ok.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Ezekiel 18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

So tell us, who are your sins supposed to be on as well as the responsibility to take whatever punishment is due for them?

Regards
DL

 

Well you didn't read the story the daughter sloped and fell and pulled the father over and the father sacrificed himself to save the girl

 

Well the reason Jesus came and died and was resurrected was to establish a new covenant of forgiveness not to live by the old one we will be forgiven if we truly repent for our sins. It was for seen that he would come to establish a new covenant and he did. It is not my position question Gods ways it was gods will.

We are responsible for our sins but Jesus will bail us out if we repent.

 

JC ignored quite a few. For the jewish tradition was wrong, on many of their beliefs. That God could dwell in a human being was one of them. The whole jewish tradition that somehow an animal sacrifice could do something in regards to sin. The whole idea of dietary law. And the idea of a religious class of intercessors between man and the Creator. And there are more. What this reveals is that the jews, in their doctrine, religious law, were off the mark, but it also intimates that much of what was in the OT were put there by a motive driven religious class and God never demanded that at all. Just because some man said God told him this or that, and it must be followed, does not mean anything of the sort happened.

Even that the jews were expecting a messiah that would come and help the jews cut their enemies apart with the sword was wrong. JC set many things right, and given he had to go against the entrenched religious authority ended in his death. He was a revolutionary, and what he taught contradicted the beliefs of Judaism. So, trying to turn JC into what the jews believed can only be done by ignoring what He taught, and the manner in which he behaved. So how many lives did he take with his sword? How many insurrections against the Romans did he lead? How many people did he stone to death?

The OT talks as if god rewards his faithful servants with great wealth. Yet what did JC say about the rich? And what did he say about the poor, the meek?

JC basically came with the Good News that the Kingdom was accessible, in the NOW, that it was within man, and that if you wanted it, you must seek it. Upon finding it, this changed man, and the morality, the love that would come from this did not rely upon self will, that is, trying to be good, but living in this inner Kingdom yielded morality. For the change in consciousness, likened to a rebirth, no longer was a self centered, selfish state of being, which is the origination of all sin. And man would be perfect as the Father is perfect. And without discovering this inner kingdom, man would be lost, still sinning and incapable of the love Christ taught of. For a self centered driven consciousness cannot help but pursue pleasure and gratification, physical and psychological, taking no notice of who this drive to gratify hurts.

What you see with people like yourself, is you create an image of Christ, which is false, and then use that image to show how Christ was this or that, none of it looking like goodness and morality. Yet what Christ was, is right there in what he taught. Knowing what Christ was, the bringer of the Good News, that the kingdom was here and now, inwardly, and that man must seek it there, not in the sky, also will burn away the dross, the lies, the misconceptions that one finds in the NT, put there by men, just as things were put into the OT, by men, who had an agenda, which benefitted themselves or religious authorities, gratification, sin.

Christianity, through the corruption of man, became a religion about Christ, instead of the religion of Christ. This new religion was corrupted by men, seeking authority and thereby gratification, as they made places of authority within this new religion for themselves. Therefore your understanding of Christ, or your lack of understanding, has only confused you, along with so many Christians who think Christ dying on a cross somehow by magic blood saves them from hell and damnation. When the only salvation has always been a spiritual journey that involves seeking the kingdom of god that resides within consciousness, but which man did not know was there. The value of Christ was that he brought this divine secret, which allowed for salvation, and this Gospel was corrupted and lost. For it does not serve to control man, nor does it have a place in it for religious authority given it is an individual journey, and no other person can do anything for you to help you discover what Christ taught. Yet if this had not been corrupted, Christianity could never have been the state religion of the roman empire later on. And it would have never had such a murderous, hateful 2000 year history either.

Orthodox Christianity is actually in operation the anti Christ, for it is 180 degrees away from who and what Christ was in actuality. The Christians are only worshipping more idols, images, created by a gratification pursuing ego, and the gratification they are pursuing is no different from the muslim who pursues the perpetual virgins in their image of paradise. As Christ tried to tell us, whosoever will save his soul shall lose it.