What is Christian Morality

Imo the "morality" of today's Christians is hugely disconnected from what jesus taught

1. We fundamentally worship wealth, success, power
2. We despise the meek and the poor
3. In practice we do not turn the other cheek or treat our neighbors as our brothers
4. Adultry is common place
5. We bear false witness all the time
6. We take the lords name in vein all the time
7. We nearly ignore the sabbath day
8. We ignore the command to judge not that ye be not judged

 

What does 'inquisition' have to do with the legitimacy (or lack thereof) of judging Christians who dont advocate murdering gays, on the basis of a few extremists that do (or did)?

 

What is Christian Morality

A man made device to control the actions and will of any who fall for it. Nothing godlike about it, merely humans trying to dictate to others how the masters desire them to act.

 

Christianity as a whole are homophobic and misogynous.

You go ahead and weed out the few sects that are not. I do not have that king of time to waste.

Regards
DL

 

Master is the right word as all they want is slaves.

Christianity says obey, Islam says submit, and both require the lack of freedom of thought from all their adherents.

Regards
DL

 

Snark, snark

 

Says you

 

You have been grossly misinformed. Religions arent the only institutions that indoctrinate folks, and you seem to be caught in one of the alternatives.

 

Looks like to me that the Creator JC talked about is not the image of god that the jews had created over time. For if they had understood the god of Christ accurately, they would not have created the Judaism in place when Christ appeared. So, besides bringing the Good News, he also corrected wrong beliefs, and cleared things up in regards to the god the jews had created from their own minds and insistence.

Christ even reminded the jews that god had told them through his prophets that he did not want their animal sacrifices and yet this was a primary ritual and tradition in Judaism.

What is the morality of Christ? It is the morality that comes about naturally when man no longer is ruled over by the ego, with its demand for psychological gratification which hurts others. Or for physical gratification which hurts others. The human ego, is the origin of sin, as it pursues selfish gratification. Dying to the ego, creates the rebirth Christ spoke of, and one discovers something inwardly that is not of the ego but is a fragment of the consciousness of God, which is love, and a lack of self centeredness, which yields morality. It really is the only thing that makes sense.

 

I know this is, like, 'way out there, man...' But Sumerian Cunaeform tablets refer to some kings (as Aliens, btw) who went by many names. One, who went by Enlil, also went by Yaweh, Lucifer, Zeus and (iirc) Thor among many others. Another, Enki, who was subordinant to Enlil but typically in a sort of bureaucratic opposition to Enlil, also went by something analogous to Jesus, Prometheus, Loki and others.

These same tablets refer to these (Alien) kings as the progeneters of all mankind, originally having created us as slaves, but Enki (much to Enlils anger) manipulated our creation with his own 'godly' (extraterrestrial) essence allowing us Free Will (rebellion, independence) and sparking our innevitable revolt.

Im not convinced the Sumerians are right or the interpreters of these tablets arent making shiz up (various interpretations differ DRASTICALLY), but its certainly interesting in the context of the discussion of Jesus vs God, at least imo.

 

Thanks for throwing stones without showing the target.

No one said it was only religions but they are the worst offenders.

Go ahead and give respect to what does not deserve it.

That is the moral thing to do. Right?

Regards
DL

 

I hear what you are saying and agree, but not with the way you define ego. You are defining egotism which is the negative use of the ego.

Ego
noun, plural egos.
1. the “I” or self of any person; a person as thinking, feeling, and willing, and distinguishing itself from the selves of others and from objects of its thought.

What you are is held in your ego and is also the source of goodness. When you say I, it is your ego where you go to find yourself.

A small grammar thing as we do not have an argument.

Regards
DL

 

Christianity get's it backward.

Morality is a framework for right and wrong, but you can't have a "right" and a "wrong" until you decide there are things that you want and don't want.

This is the is/ ought problem.

We must value something, we must desire to actualize a certain outcome before we can determine what is moral/ immoral.

It's like creating the rules of a game without creating any sort of goal or victory condition.

Experience---->Values---->Morals

The fact is, no account of morality, Christian or otherwise, can tell us what we ought to value, but if you agree that the worst possible suffering for the greatest number of people is "bad" and the greatest possible happiness for the greatest number of people is "good" then there are objective actions with respect to the desire to actualize certain values that attempt to avoid the "bad" and try to achieve the "good". That is, if you believe that suffering is bad, then you ought to do things that avoid it. Of course, morality is a social function, thus making choices that are only good for you can actually result in bad things happening to you (like being incarcerated for instance).

The problem with Christianity is it creates a list of morals, but those morals aren't relative to values or experience. According to Christianity, is rape something that should be avoided because of the pain and suffering it causes? Nope, it should be avoided because god says so. Does god command it because it causes pain and suffering? Nope, in the Bible god causes or commands pain and suffering all the time.

Without a grounding based on experience and values, god can command anything to be moral he pleases because morals aren't based on how humans experience reality and the values that result.

 

Which is precisely what this comment does by not specifying where that occured.

I wasn't accusing anyone of saying that. It was just a lead-up to a point.
I dont think religions are any worse at indoctrinating than politics are, and both do it for the same purposes.

The Atheist version of 'go ahead and doom yourself to hell.' Both completely useless, subjective statements from people whom, for whatever reason, are unable to be honest and simply say 'i dont want to talk about it anymore.'

Fine.

 

Can you say "mirror, mirror?

The most dishonest person in the discussion is the one who tries to change the discussion with his own perversions, that being you.

 

The most annoying person in the discussion is the one who diliberately reinterprets points to demonize opposition, especially when they're so obvious about it.

 

No reinterpretation necessary, your statements stand on their own in their attempt to redirect the conversation. If you had any self honesty, you would realize that.

 

Sniped for brevity but nicely put my moral thinking friend.

Gnostic Christians, the better thinking lot who lost the God wars got it right and that is why Christians were so eager to decimate us and burn our scriptures. Next to Jews, we were Christianity's main target.

Regards
DL

 

I call B.S. on this. Have a look at this and go find the equivalent for any political party.

Jesus Camp 1of 3


I could link you to another camp for teen brainwashing but you really should learn how to search a topic before putting your foot in your mouth. If you have a problem, let me know and I will walk you through it.

I am not an atheist, although their morals usually are a damn site better than the morals that theists show.

I did not speak of hell but did of you respecting religions that do not deserve it, which you ignored, as you could not intelligently argue for respecting intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions.

With that deficit to what you do, you are already in a mental hell.

Regards
DL

 

It's an oxymoron.

 

i could go on

 

Whatever is expedient at the time!

In essence the bible is a just a Chinese menu where Christians can pick whatever they like from whatever verses will justify what they want to condemn or condone.

 

I am a seminarian here is what they teach us when it comes to morality. According to the original catholic view set by Thomas aquinas.

Our morality goes back to the vision of morality that Plato had Aristotle and Saint Thomas had. It is called freedom of exelence as opposed to the freedom of indifference. The idea of freedom of indifference is freedom to choose to do whatever you want it doesn't matter what you choose just that you choose like moral relativism. This is important to the extent that we need to be able to choose and not have a dictator but it has no telos (end). Freedom for excellence is more like having the tools to live a good life.

An anology would be like playing the guitar. Are you free to play the guitar. People would say sure I am free to pick up and play however are you really free to quote "play" and play it well the guitar if you don't have the skills? Catholics see the theological perfecting and cardinal virtues(faith,hope,charity,judgment,prudence,fortitude,love...,) as the "skills needed to live a good life and we incision pleasing God and living a good live as our end goal (telos)

 

North Korea I ignore.

Note that the religious example I showed was of the right wing and I note that your example for politics was also right wing.

Your first does talk of Obama, but also a healthy policy of equality which is not the right wing forte.

What does that tell you my friend?

Regards
DL

 

All that great freedom, to end under a tyrannical Yahweh who is shown as a genocidal son murdering God.

His first judgement was to volunteer Jesus to die, so even Jesus' free will is cancelled out before the world was even formed.

Your seminary taught you well, I am sure, to recite4 dogma, but it seems that it should have focused more on morals and ethics.

You forget how soon Christianity turned to the sword to grow instead of a good philosophy to live life by.

Regards
DL