What is Christian Morality

I would suggest your example is about manners, not morals.

 

Well yes. But from the perspective of the 'offended' it comes across as an intentional attack, an immoral act, whereas the 'offender' meant no such attack and simply has a different expectation of manners.

Ive heard it posited (frequently enough to cause me worry) that we have an obligation to predict the effects of our 'manner' on others, and that we indeed have a moral obligation to not offend others. That being largely impossible since we are not mind readers or fortune tellers, I see this argument as rediculous. But it has popularity in certain circles.

 

To expand a bit, when you tell someone they are factually incorrect by saying 'you're wrong,' certain people presume you mean they are MORALLY wrong (because you didnt say 'you're incorrect'). And then theres the folks who actually think 'you're incorrect' MEANS they are morally wrong and feel they have actually done something immoral by being incorrect (typically as a response to having been raised by overly strict or impatient people who respond to the innevitable mistakes in childhood learning with anger and punishment). This causes an extreme emotional reaction to what would otherwise be a simple educational experience.

 

I do not believe we have any obligation to not offend others. I do believe that being civil to one another is a reasonable social obligation, but certainly not in the same ballpark as a moral obligation. If my manners offend somebody, tough tittie. If my morals offend somebody, equally tought tittie.

If not giving offense is a moral obligation, then America is morally bankrupt (along with most of the rest of the world).

 

You missed the point. My point is that you can't get to a logical answer because your intelligence is low. I have the logical answer at hand. However I don't think that showing you the logical answer doing any help at all, unless you realize that it is you who possess a low intelligence yet trying to rebuke Christianity with that low IQ.

The Tree of Knowledge is something you are trying to lean on thus the same day you choose to eat of it, the same day you are surely die. That's the warning for you, which was written (prophesied) thousands of years ago.

 

This one believes he is special.

 

Your post seems to reinforce the notion that god doesn't like knowledge and should one obtain it, god will kill him. Which explains why you are still around I guess.

 

I do not think you understand the Golden Rule very well in respect to how it applies to law and society in general.

The idea of the social contract (that we the people give Gov't power to protect us from harm - murder, rape, theft) is a function of the golden rule.

If you do not want others to kill you and your family then, you have a moral obligation to not kill others.
This is a form of the social contract ... you make an agreement "I will not try to kill you if you do not try to kill me"

If you do not want others forcing their personal/religious beliefs on you through physical violence (law) then do not do the this to others (make or support law that violate individual rights and freedoms)

This is the reason why the founders put individual rights and freedoms/liberty "Above" the legitimate authority of Gov't.

Rights and freedoms end where the nose of another begins .. and this is where Gov't authority begins and ends.

In general - "No man wants to be ruled over by another" If you do not want others ruling over/controlling what you do, then do not do the same to others.

When there was no law or Gov'ts .. people banded together in groups. This was for social reasons but also for protection (strength in numbers). Codes of conduct developed in relation to protection from harm - something everyone wants.

It does no good to be protected from outsiders if you are not protected within the group. Codes of conduct are not worth much if people can violate them with impunity. The people agreed that some authority should be given power to punish violators. This power however was to be limited "only" protection from direct harm - as no man wants to be ruled over by another.

This all comes out of the Golden Rule. It has nothing to do with enforcing equality as this would violate individual rights and freedoms. This is not a legitimate purview of Gov't in general (except in some extreme cases where protection from harm comes into play)

 

Christian morality is a Roman-era attempt at morality that has a lot of modern ideas but is filled with homophobia, is anti-capitalist, is against slaves escaping, supports the divine right of kings, is bigoted to people of other faiths, supports the idea of blood sacrifice, and has rules about the roles of women and divorce that mirror Islamic law.

 

LOOK - I did not say your intelligence was low. What I do claim is that your answer was not well thought out - hence it was not an intelligent answer.

If you think I was "rebuking" Christianity - then at least say what you think I was rebuking ? and state why my rubuke is out of line.

The "FACT" of the matter is that we do not know for sure what lies on the other side. Even if we did know what lies on the other side this is no reason to not try and make this world .. right here.. right now ... a better place.

How is this "rebuking" Christianity ? Why would God give you a brain, and put you here on earth if your entire purpose is to just focus on not being here on earth and not using your brain to figure out how others should be treated while here on earth ?

 

There is all great Gods according me but nobody of my Gods Christ and God listen to my pray and never wanted some me to Think more. I will never speak more than Think. I am Christian and Pro American and loves one Reich how is Germany. Therefore there is more Nazism than secondary in World. Only Nazi Germany of today's Germany yet. But other big Powers are not all against Germany. Or will France with Le Pen first since United States and Soviet to attack Germany or whole EU. First for Le Pen is to rust upod in reserve force then France can take whole EU in war or she prefer Africa like in history ???? Germany do one change after WW2 to celibrate all german togheter in all time Germany. One Reich but not if we called them Nazi Germany. Reich are Germany like before 1933 and after 1700s.

 

Catholic Christian was starting first and then become Ortodox Christian then becomes Lutheranism Christians. Then we are togheter in 3 religion's in one religion the Christianity with two or Three Gods to Believe.

 

where have i advocated pushing my beleifs on anyone?

oh right, i forgot, discussing something you disagree with is 'pushing' it on you. you must be one of those folks who view an opposing position as a moral attack.
or maybe its just cuz im a Chrstian? Seriously, if i dont say 'you're immoral and wrong for beleiving different than me' please dont infer that im judging you. we'll get along a lot better if you stop making asinine assumptions.
To be clear, I fully agree that morals have no place in law. Killing, stealing, etc are not unlawful because they're wrong (or even really because of the golden rule) but because society requires a level of order to function, and these things cause too much dissorder for society to progress. Thats why i do not support banning abortion, for example. While I believe its murder, an immoral attrocity, a festering wound on our collective human spirit... it does not cause any substantial dissorder, and thus should not be restricted from an authoritative position (though i fully support fighting abortion from a voluntary perspective- boycott, media campaign, advertizing alternatives, social pressuring, etc).

Just because im religious (or i would more acurately claim 'spiritual') doesnt mean I dont understand (and seek to expose to my similars) the dangers of theocracy.

 

I never liked Paul much either... set women's rights back 2000 years gave the elite justification for Divine Right. A whole lot of "uninspired" blubbering ... that is for sure.

 

He is not GOP.

He is RFL.

Right ****ing Loony.

Nothing quite like pure discrimination and denigration without a just cause.

Regards
DL

 

Nothing quite like looking to a genocidal son murdering God for ones moral compass.

When in doubt as to what that God recommends, check Mein Kampf for confirmation from a like minded demi-God.

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DL

 

Were the various Inquisitions a moderate response?

Is Christian homophobia and misogyny moderate responses to equality of all souls?

Regards
DL

 

Inquisitions belies this.

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DL

 

Are you talking about 'The Inquisition' from hundreds of years ago Roman Catholocism? If so- how does that have anything to do with me?

 

Religion does not cause people to act in an evil way it's a set of morals and ideals that's all.

 

Sorry, I don't understand what you just posted.

 

Not you. Your statement. And you might know that there were a number of Inquisitions.

Regards
DL

 

Yes, and in Christianity's case, it is a set of morals passed up to us by a genocidal son murdering God.

Those morals must be really good eh?

Do you like the set of morals Allah gives?

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DL

 

I am not surprised.

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DL

 

So, are you saying paul inspired his writings and not God?