What is the ultimate goal of gun control? Is it about guns? About control? Or saving lives?

If filling out a form or waiting a few days would save thousands of lives it seems criminal not to do it

 

If, not will. It is speculation, with no evidence that such would actually work.

Beyond such, the supposed form is not simply a form, as it will still cost more than one trillion dollars a year just to try and enforce the paperwork requirement.

 

The rejection of your contention you are somehow owed a plan, before yours can be rejected is not a failure of others; they have nothing to prove. You are the one calling for greater laws and restrictions, recommended laws and restrictions that the majority here reject will have any impact. Even the last Committee formed in association with the CDC and financially supported by the Obama Admin did not agree any of your recommendations showed conclusive or clear evidence of having an impact and made no recommendations for further laws or restrictions, rather, they identified additional areas of study, including focusing on sentencing, parole strategies and further recommendation for data collection. So, if they that committee, far better minds than yours, didn’t emerge with a concensus on a plan for more restrictions and laws, why do you think, any one here should be required to do so any more that suggest someone have a plan for world piece, solving the hunger problem or the desire to commit violent crime? Just so you can game them?

 

I am not owed a plan. The men women and children of the US are owed a plan. Please discuss world peace on the world peace forum

 

I will make any statement anywhere I feel it relevant to my point, I certainly won’t follow your prescription, one from someone without any relevance.

 

Right back at you buddy

 

So you keep saying.

But you also keep talking about how many gun deaths there are, so evidently it doesn't:

National Firearms Act 1934
Federal Firearms Act 1938
Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act 1968
Gun Control Act 1968
Firearm Owners Protection Act 1986
Undetectable Firearms Act 1988
Gun-Free School Zones Act 1990.
Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act 1993
Federal Assault Weapons Ban 1994

Seems with all this gun control that no one would be dying. There is enough gun control listed above to maybe even flow over and save a few lives lost to alcohol or auto accidents.

As the saying goes: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results".

Again, I argue that we don't have a gun problem we have a people problem. According to the CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/nvsr.htm) in 2015 there were 44,193 suicides. During that same year there were 17,793 murders. Both murder and suicide are crimes so combine that is 61,986 crimes. Seems to me "common sense" would indicate that if I wanted to both fight crime and reduce deaths I would start by addressing the suicide problem. I know that doesn't fit your concept of "this is a gun control forum, we discuss gun control". But I feel it does fit here. One of the continuing arguments here from the gun control advocates is that we need to save lives including lives lost to suicide with a gun.

The most lives lost annually to guns are the suicides. Addressing this problem would have the most impact on reducing gun deaths. That being said the best way to reduce suicides is not by banning guns or even by having waiting periods to purchase. The way to help reduce suicides is through education and vigilance.

I can do this all day but you get the picture. The only problem that I see here in the Political Forum is that you and a few others have decided that the gun is the reason for all the problems and rather than try and have an honest discussion about the true problem you just want to deal in your silly little sound bites that you use to keep pushing peoples buttons.

 

Why can' t there be more than one solution to suicides? Gun control and education. Sounds good to me

 

Because with suicides, guns are not the problem!

 

What is criminal is 34,997 out of 35486 gun deaths in 2015. Murder and suicide are crimes.

 

I do not classify suicide as a crime, it is a very personal and intimate decision, perhaps often ill considered and rash, howsoever, it rests clearly on a man's Right to choose, and to live as well as leave life with Dignity intact, and this Right, as well as alI others,
I will staunchly defend.

 

We can do more than one thing at a time.

 

Duplicate sytax.
Identical sequencing noted....

 

Hmm. Am I a bot or is it just that the counter logic to the OP is so tremendously obvious that multiple people would respond in the exact same way?

 

The right to bear arms is guaranteed by the Constitution just as the right to free speech and right to freedom of religion. As these rights are outlined and guaranteed by the Constitution, the States have no right to infringe on them in any way. Any changes to these guarantees or restrictions of these rights must come at the Federal level. The pro gun control crowd here in the PF seem to think some restrictions are in order. Maybe they are right. Maybe we need to place some "common sense" restrictions on guns and gun owners. Once we do that we can place some common sense restrictions on other rights too.

Freedom of speech will now be monitored by the Speech Police (BATFE&S). You will now be required to get a background check and a license if you want to talk outside your home. We want to make sure you are not some kind of subversive wanting to talk about overthrow of the government. You will have to prove you have no criminal intent that you want to talk to others about. Any time a person wants to submit a comment to an online forum they will have to first submit it to the Speech Police for review. Certain types of conversations will have to be conducted in the presence of a third party who will charge you and the other person a fee. Want to give a talk at the local community center? Two week waiting period while the Speech Police look into it. And on the drive to the community center you will have to leave your speech notes in the glove compartment and your pen in the trunk.

Freedom of religion will also have to be rethought(BATFE&S&R). Sermons will have to be submitted through the appropriate government agency for approval. Maybe we can add cameras to all churches; you never know what might happen to young boys in those buildings.

Anyway, you get the drift...

Just my musings.

Rich

 

You are free to pursue any of those things. This is a gun control forum

 

I agree but through out most all of the U.S. it is against the law. Many things are against the law which should not be. Things like the freedom to carry a gun wherever one wants.

Thanks for the comment.

Rich

 

I think it's about fear that no one can be trusted. It's about wanting to believe one can talk themselves out of being a victim. It's about believing most folks are inherently good and don't need them and those who do use them are deciding whether someone has the right to live or die. It's about believing no one really wants to kill anyone else and everyone cares about everyone else, because they do. It's naivety at it's finest.

 

Wow. You should see the new AR15 I bought. It's a Ruger 556. I want to tell you all about it here in this forum because it is an easy rifle to control. Shoots great right out of the box. I was shooting 1.5 MOA with open sights. Shooting without a rest I was still within 3-4MOA. Not bad for an old guy like me. Like I said this GUN is easy to CONTROL.

Anyone else have guns that they like to control. Let me know what you have and what your experiences are. Do you hunt with it? Do you just target shoot or competition shoot. Do you use it for self defense?

Remember what ever you do with your GUN, CONTROL is important if you want to hit the criminal.


Listen to you always with the "This is a gun control forum". Maybe if you weren't so narrow we could actually be making some progress towards saving lives.

 

Yep, a deep wound wound from by someone without honor, I stand in distress.

 

It’s called trolling.

 

Yes you should stop that

 

Let’s throw it out there to see who has a reputation as a suspected troll among members...I am all for that.

 

How did the last poll go? You never learn. Lol