What should be subsidized besides health care?

Yes. That's why you don't have to fund it. We all do. Just like we fund the army, roads, bridges, justice system, ....

You don't fund the army. We all do.. collectively. The concept that you are the one who funds the army (or any of those things) would be arrogant. As well as inaccurate.

 

Which person has the right to take my property? I thought we all were equals.

 

Nonsense! Would you like to live in a community in which your neighbor might gratuitously accuse you of being a witch? Or in which neighbors you've known all your life are accused of something you know they're not capable of?

 

Not only that. It's even worse. It's unintelligible!

Let me know if you find an English translation.

 

Do you know the difference between an example to illustrate something, and real life?

So what you're saying is that all people are created equal, but some people were created more equal than others.

Please show the part of the Constitution where it says that the homeless have less rights, or are "less equal" Americans than everybody else.

Look. When we talk about "healthcare", we define certain basic fundamental care. Most were defined in obamacare. There is a right to see a doctor at least twice a year for routine checkups. If you are sick, you have a right to be cared for and given proper treatment throughout the course of your illness. Expensive procedures are covered if the doctor (not the government) determines that there is a reasonable chance to succeed. So if you have money, you can procedure on your own, regardless of the chances to succeed. You are also entitled to generic brands, unless the doctor determines that the patient requires the brand-name for some unique particular condition. If you can pay for your own health, you can have the generic regardless. With universal healthcare, there are wait periods for non-urgent procedures. If you have the money, you can afford to not have a wait period. And so on.

So there are differences. But the basic humane healthcare is assured to everybody.

I contribute to St Jude's. You google it. St Jude's is in Tennessee!

You want all Americans to take their kids to Tennessee whenever they get sick?

You are again falling back into the nonsense!

 

And you believe that being 20 Trillion in debt makes us poor or something?

Let's see your brain explode: Being 20 trillion in debt makes us the richest country in the world. No other country is 20 Trillion in debt. Why? Because no other country in the world can be 20 trillion in debt. Not... even.... close... Chew on that one.

Go study economy! Don't come back with "oh please... please explain...". If you pretend to discuss economy, learn some before you start.

 

No!

There is no liberty to infringe on people's rights.

 

How about the girl at the check out line at the supermarket?

 

You have an unusual conception of rights.

 

I am quite intelligent, thank you and do not spout nonsense. You and I just have different values, and so we seek different outcomes, thus creating the illusion of nonsense.

 

We don't all pay the same rate.
Stop looking for subsidies. If you need someone to take care of your needs, ask your mom.

 

It's like watching Springer with this guy.

 

Yet that's what you want, their money providing you stuff

 

Oh really? Where is THAT in the constitution? Maybe you are referring to the EU Rights of Man or something. They also believe in guaranteed leisure time. I do not.

You see, when you pull rights like this out of ... thin air, let's say, you have to recognize the other side of the equation. Someone has to give the checkup. I say doctors and nurses can treat whomever they wish, this guided by their own private rules of ethics. Your "rights" won't be exercised unless we pass a law that requires them to give checkups to whomever shows up with a medicare card. So you see, you want much more than the right to checkups, though I guess you can't see it.

 

True, but I respect your right to complain about it, if you wish, that the military gets too much of the budget. It's a matter of priorities and values. I think that yours are bad.

On edit, when I say "bad," I mean pernicious. I'm not calling you the devil. But you are asserting rights willy nilly, to and for things that are arguably good, and you don't see any possible downside that I can detect.

We can all make lists of things that are beneficial, but we can't just say "this is good, Kant and Russel said so, therefore we will pass laws to guarantee them (without reciprocal obligation -- that's the rub) to anyone and everyone, unconditionally."

 

Good, you have finally recognized that government is responsible for adequate access to health care services

I think you are totally confused and brainwashed by the propaganda of the slave owners.
You have conveniently forgot that those perks are paid by the government in form of tax breaks.
If government creates the system where labor is forced i.e. people have to work to get health insurance it is not a capitalism and free market it is a slavery.

 

Perhaps you should bone up on the word "restraint".

 

The people of Salem certainly thought that killing those accused of witchcraft promoted the existence of the community of human beings.

 

She doesn't take my property. I voluntarily give her my property. Do you not know the difference?

 

You can keep complaining about having to pay taxes or do something about it. You can always build a cabin in the mountains somewhere remote and live a subsistence lifestyle paying no taxes. Or, just keep whinging about paying taxes. Your choice.

 

Yes, I know that you support some people taking the property of others. No big surprise there.

 

Wrong again. Not whining about having to pay taxes does not equal support.

 

I was just thinking that.
And slavery, and women not voting.
Hell, internment of Japanese.

 

This is a debate forum.
He's debating.
Difficult?

Additionally, the discussion is about new taxes and those that feel they deserve a new subsidy.
Is that difficult too?

 

You either support or oppose. You support some people taking the property of others. I don't. I regard us to all be equals.