What sort of person is donald trump?

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  1. FAW

    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I took your advice, and googled the incident in question. It is essentially nothing like your description.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/15/politics/rolling-stones-keith-richards-donald-trump/index.html

    To say that you took artistic license is an understatement.
     
  2. TOG 6

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    Let me give you a little annecdote from the Italian campaign in WWII. It takes place shortly after Italy switched sides during the latter days of the war. German sniper concealed in a large olive grove bounces a bullet off the rocks near an American Machine gunner and Yells "What do you think of Your new allies, the GI sprays the olive grove with machinegun fire and Yells back "You can have 'em back" The German sends another probing Round up among the rocks and shouts "we don't want them". Being allies doesn't necessarily mean you like each other just that for the moment your geopolitical aspirations coincide.
     
  4. wyly

    wyly Well-Known Member

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    it's a wee bit worse than that don't you think...many of trump personal attacks are not in retaliation but initiated by him towards anyone who expresses any criticism or anyone he doesn't like for any reason... he's not thin skinned he's just a dick...
     
  5. ImNotOliver

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    Did I leave out the part where the sign out front said, in big letters, "DONALD J TRUMP presents" and in little letters, The Rolling Stones".

    Or what about the part where Trump went up on stage and falsely claimed that he didn't want to go up on stage but the Stones insisted that he go up there.

    Or did I not mention the part where two of Trump's thugs put on their gloves while a third put on brass knuckles as they moved towards Richards. Then Richards called on his radio and the guy on the other end said look around. When Richards looked around he saw 30 road crew members with crowbars and other weapons, causing that piece of crap Trump to back down.

    In any case, your description of me somehow expressing an untruth is rather absurd.
     
  6. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    You could defend yourself from the charge of making claims you know are not true by citing a source that supports the claims you did make -- presuming you know how to Google, that is.

    But you won't, because you know you can't.
     
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  7. FAW

    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL.
     
  8. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Funny how he gets caught making statements he knows are not true, the then doubles down on them.
     
  9. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Some Democrats wanted nuclear war with Russia via Hilary Clinton and now want N.K. to engage in a nuclear attack against the USA both to punish people for voting for Trump and to punish all Americans in general for the crime against humanity of being an American in their opinion.
     
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    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    About your babbling TDS message.
     
  11. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    We both know you refuse to post a link that proves your claim because you know any such link will prove you claim false.
    G'head. Prove me wrong.
     
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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    You cannot prove this to be true.
     
  13. Brexx

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    I agree that he sometimes verbally over-reacts to criticism.
     
  14. ARDY

    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is one thing to fire back
    It is another thing to outright lie
    Like saying cruz father was conspiring with lee harvey oswald

    In any case, the lying is not just about firing back... trump lies about just about anything... large or trivial. Did he have the largest inauguration crowd.... nope. Does ut matter... not really. But it is annoying when someone lies about even obviously untrue stuff

    Then there was trumps criticism of obamas golfing. He said ge would be too busy to golf???????????

    It just goes on and on and on. Most recently he said manafort had almost nothing to do with his campain... only worked for him maybe 50 days. The truth is over a hundred. I mean WHY does he have to keep lying.

    And the undocumented children issue. Hey, i am not caring so much about those kids. But trump is lying when he says he has no choice and is just enforcing the law. What ever he wants to do on this issue... just DO IT. But stop lying
     
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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Hm.
    I said "You cannot prove this to be true"
    You do nothing to show otherwise.
    Hm.
     
  16. wyly

    wyly Well-Known Member

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    I had an ex-friend like that once, he'd pull lies out of his butt all the time, complete fabrications and he'd have the biggest smile on his face as he'd tell them...eventually his lies caught up to him and so did the police, he was a pure con man, lying was like breathing to him...he'd laugh it off like it wasn't a big deal but when you lie to your friends they stop being your friends, they see pathological liars for what they really are, mentally ill....
     
  17. Brexx

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    I find all that stuff to be quite trivial and not worth worrying about. I would rather have a guy who spouts bs but ends up doing the right thing than a flawless character who does not do the right things. Of course there are different opinions about what the right thing is, so I am talking about what I consider to be the right things. Trump wants to do some things I agree with. Whether he is able to get them done remains to be seen.
     
  18. ARDY

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    Ok... we have agreed that when anyone attacks trump he reacts very strongly
    Many of these so called attacks seem trivial to me
    But trump does NOT say .... oh, that is just trivial
    He hates people who attack him, right?
    So, why shouldnt people react towards him in the same way that he reacts towards others?
    If trump lies about obama, why wouldn’t some people hate him
    Just as he hates those who attack him?

    The above is the answer to your inquiry about why some people hate him

    Me too... that is why I do not give a defacation about what ever he did with stormy Daniels
    And, actually I find my self agreeing with some of his policy objectives
    ... although I do not think he is all that sophisticated in achieving his goals
    For example, is it really required to alienate Canada in order to address our trade problems?
    Is that REALLY the strategy of the worlds best negotiator? Geez

    Anyway, the issue that I have with trump’s lying is not a matter of character
    The thing is that I almost never believe what he says...
    When someone always lies, I don’t take what they say seriously
    And THAT is my problem with trump

    Yes, indeed
    Y’know there is a huge difference between having good intentions
    Vs having a sensible plan to accomplish those objectives
    Frankly, I don’t think trump is anywhere near as bright as he and his supporters believe him to be
    For example... apparently he has bought in to the idea that vaccines are dangerous... cause autism etc
    IMO that is stupid
    Also,..I am skeptical of his trade policies
    It seems to me dubious that they will recover jobs
    But instead appear to be headed towards a trade war that will likely cost jobs on balance
    PLEASE NOTE. I support trumps trade objectives
    and am happy that AT LAST some leader is working on the problem
    I just am very skeptical of his very simplistic plan
    I also doubt that the nuclear threat of North Korea has disappeared just because
    He says it has.
    Etc,
    those are just a couple of example
     
  19. Brexx

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    Hate is such an ugly thing. Surely we can disagree and/or dislike people without hating them.

    I don't believe Trump hates people who attack or criticize him. He certainly fires back at them, but he seems to enjoy that kind of verbal sparring for the most part. He plays games with people, which is not unusual. What is unusual is the way he plays. Only time will tell how effective his method is as a president.

    I did not know that Trump was an anti-vaxer. That is a foolish and dangerous idea. Are you sure about that? Can you provide a link?

    Regarding trade, I am also skeptical of Trump's ideas on trade. I realize that he was elected partly because he promised to stop that sucking sound which is American jobs going to Mexico and China, which sounds like a good idea, but I fear that his efforts to do this will result in more harm than good. As far as this stuff with Canada and the EU, I assume this is just trash talk. Or maybe like a bit of rough foreplay before the main event. lol
     
  20. ARDY

    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We will have to take that up with trump, and for that matter the abundance of conservatives that have hated bill clinton, and hated al gore, and hated obama, and hated hillary clinton

    A distinction with little difference
    I doubt the jews would find comfort if hitler did not hate them, he was just pro german
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...cdb4b7f8dd7_story.html?utm_term=.d63f1afadfa7

    https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2017/02/16/donald-trump-autism-vaccines



    One persons rough foreplay is another persons rape. I do wonder why trump avoids rough foreplay with putin... a guy For who develooef rough foreplay to an art form during his days with the kgb
     
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    I knew Trump had a weakness for unproven theories, but I didn't know he was an anti-vaxer. I guess that's what you get for allowing yourself to be influenced by somebody like Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

    Trump has not hesitated to criticize Putin. He criticized him sharply over his support for Assad and the chemical attacks in Syria. When Putin said he was going to build up Russia's nuclear arsenal Trump warned him that if he started a nuclear arms race he would lose. He also criticized Putin over those two attempted murders in England. That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are other examples. Why doesn't he trash talk Putin? Probably because he is not involved in any kind of negotiation with Putin, or if there is something he wants to get done with Putin maybe its not at the trash talking stage yet. Maybe its just at the play nice stage. Who knows?
    The unproven theory that so many want to believe is that Putin has something on Trump. I treat that as I do all unproven theories.
     
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    I have not given much thought to the unproven theory, and agree that it is unproven.... and should be treated as such. That said it is possible to see how facts may comport with this unproven theory

    How has trump treated Putin...over all better than he has treated our closest ally: Trudeau. And he has treated Putin far better than any previous president

    Are there any obvious scenarios where Putin might have leverage on trump. Well, we know that trump likes porn stars and playboy models. It does not seem far fetched that he might have spent some time with some hookers in Moscow. And if so, it would not be surprising if the Russian government kept track of those event.... they are well known for doing such things

    Further, don trump jr. has bragged about Russian business relationships... money coming from Russian sources. It could easily be true that the trump org facilitated laundering of Russian money. This fact would be embarrassing if revealed.

    Further, it could well be that trump org got significant financing from Russian sources. They might be able to call the loans. This also would be uncomfortable for trump.... not only the difficulty of arranging new financing, but also the exposure of his debt to Russia whe he has publically maintained that he has no obligations to Russia

    All the above is speculation and far from proven. Otoh there would be nothing surprising if any of these speculations were true. the mueller probe is looking to find out what is true
     
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    He's a billionare playboy that went into politics without the slightest idea what he was getting into.
    Now he's finding out all the rules that won't allow him to do the things he wanted to make America great again.

    I wish we could make him dictator for 4 years, and let him do what he wants to do.
     
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    All true. It is not an impossibility.
     
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